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Old Posted Mar 10, 2022, 5:36 AM
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I'm just as interested in what will be replacing the current LDS hospital as I am the new hospital downtown.

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Has any proposed development ever included a pedestrian space fronting the jordan river? Is it even feasible? The San Antonio river walk is an extreme example but even cafe seating or a pedestrian shopping plaza along the river could be a game changer imo especially around the fair park area.

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Old Posted Mar 10, 2022, 3:27 PM
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From the new park (Three Creeks Confluence Park, 1300 South) https://www.kuer.org/health-science-...itys-west-side through the Peace Gardens and up to the Fairpark, it seems like there would be several opportunities like this. I'd love to see the Jordan River continue its transformation from a (literal?) backwater to something the community can be proud in, and then to something commercially viable, if that's indeed what's wanted. I think the pride part is there for those of us who use the Jordan River Trail regularly, it's come a long way in the last decade. Hopefully that will continue.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2022, 4:38 PM
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I honestly don't know why exactly City Creek Reserve hasn't already moved ahead with The Cascade. The base of the building, the foundation, the pilings, etc. are already there. As far as I am aware, The Cascade could literally start going vertical as soon as the building permits were approved. With a smaller tower (as the later version they produced shows (after, I believe complaints from the fire department against the taller tower)) it could potentially be done within 1.5 years. A really nice and quick turnaround.

Though, I agree with others on here that I would like (if at all possible) for them to bring back the much taller version of The Cascade, even if that causes delays. It would also be cool if they could change the designs to something more unique and spectacular (especially cause we already know the units will be super expensive) but I would be happy just to see it built. It literally pains me to walk by City Creek and see the pathetic stump of the tower's base and then just open air above it.

There are so many projects that the LDS Church could proceed with right now in addition to their massive Temple Sq. Campus rework it's anybody's guess as to what will be next. The Cascade has been around the longest as far as officially publicly announced projects. However, as has been discussed at length on this thread it would seem like the SLC codes are stacked against condo for sale development in the immediate future until the city gets its act together. Both the adj. to Harmon's Tower and the South Temple Elk's redevelopment seem to be the two most likely to move forward at this time. Who knows, they could surprise us all and take on an additional two developments at the same time.

California continues to have a major effect on Utah's growth and that will only accelerate over this coming decade. Much of the influence on my life so far has come from both California and Utah, and I guess Europe as I am a first-generation American from Europe. Please be patient with me for a moment as I attempt to unload some thoughts on Utah's growth as it relates to the major influence of California. I'm sure there are a lot of you on the forum whose brains like mine are on overload right now because of the speed that surrounding conditions seem to be changing from day to day.

I predict we're going to continue to see a lot of young Californians and West Coast transplants, in general, migrating to Utah for jobs and a more advantageous cost of living perks, and an easily accessible four-season outdoor lifestyle. Also, there seems to be another major influx not often talked about, but that I have noticed amongst facebook family friends of wealthy empty-nester L.D.S. seniors who are moving to Utah for any number of reasons. Whether it's being closer to their children and grandchildren or just being exhausted with the cost of living and political climate in California. While Utah is not exactly cheap anymore, aside from past emotional ties, there are still many cost caveats that are advantageous in Utah for a wealthy California Senior. You might wonder who can afford to buy these Californians' 3000 sq. foot multi-million dollar homes located in upscale places like Newport, Laguna Nigel, etc. Well, as with the past, there are tens of thousands of wealthy Asians, Europeans, Latin Americans, etc. who view California as the go-to safe haven, especially now with the current world crisis. While Internationals see California as the dream escape, it's just the opposite for many California natives. All phases of residential types will be in demand along the Wasatch Front, spurred on by in-migration from those who perceive that they must escape from the West Coast. I'm sure many of you are personally aware of how symbiotic the relationship between California and Utah is. For decades California has had and now especially will continue to have the most influence on Utah's growth.

Of course, the Latino population will continue to expand dramatically in Utah. Many don't understand that that is often encouraged by the L.D.S. Church as that is one of the more vibrant and dramatic areas of its growth.

The international communities attention is not as focused on Utah as they are on the East and West coasts, but that conscious recognition will continue to grow and probably gain much more ground this coming decade, especially as the Wasatch tech, medical, and impressively diverse economic sectors continue to build prominence, and Utah continues to emphasize a more Huntsman inspired approach to international trade. Also, of course, the probable ace of a second go-around of the Olympics transpires. The recent abysmal Olympics failure when compared to what will be the success of the upcoming Los Angeles and Salt Lake Olympics will be night and day.

Now that the War Cabal would seem to be taking control again in a very major way we will also see the Northern Metro take on an even more elevated presence and growth. The Hill Base area was already singled out as a primary military investment and has seen some pretty major development over the last decade. The current world climate will only speed up that hyper-growth.

I would hope that the Wasatch Front will be able to really accelerate its mass transit development, particularly Front Runner. Double Tracking from Ogden to Provo must be the low bar, and Brigham City to Payson should be on a front burner, along with Tooele in the mix. I think the Wasatch Front from north to south and east to west is about to see an explosion this decade that even the high growth prognosticators hadn't seen coming. At least, this is what my gut is telling me. A young family or whoever needs to afford a roof over their head should be able to live where it is affordable yet commute to their job as conveniently and inexpensively as possible.

My parents were entrepreneurs of a sort. In order for my Dad to live out his dream, they had to move to what used to be the countryside (Alpine/Highland). My Mom, who was a very talented business executive had to make that commute into Downtown Salt Lake every day, which was especially grueling and often dangerous in the Winter. She would have loved the options that exist and are now rapidly coming online with transit along the Wasatch Front.

While it is true that thousands of Californians are migrating to Utah, it is not true that California is emptying out. California, especially the south is just replacing its middle-class to the upper-middle-class caucasian base with a working-class to upper-middle-class to uber-rich international base. Central Los Angeles is an interesting study. I've often seen once-wealthy or even currently exclusive neighborhoods of Caucasians fleeing from perceived encroachment only to be replaced by wealthy Asians, particularly Koreans. Even in what would be considered disreputable areas such as McArthur Park, Korean investment syndicates will build very expensive multi-unit residential and have no problem filling them up. As far as Central Los Angeles goes Koreans don't mind the initial conditions of homelessness and street trash in up-and-coming areas. They play somewhat of a longer game. They know their patience will soon be rewarded. They're not nearly as finicky about Central L.A. as the post-war California baby boomers and their children and grandchildren. Even what used to be the predictable homogenous mix in the exclusive areas of Central L.A. are now becoming much more international. The faces I see at the gym or on early morning walks are no longer primarily post-war Caucasian, African Am. or Latino but are now typically 1st generation Latino, Asian, African, and Middle Eastern American, etc. As far as the Los Angeles CSA goes, incredible growth from an international base is being played out all across the huge Los Angeles metroplex by every nationality in the world. As far as California growth, particularly Southern California census numbers, anyone who thinks that L.A.'s international immigrants are not ridiculously undercounted is very naive. California is becoming even more of a unique country unto itself.

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Old Posted Mar 10, 2022, 5:47 PM
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Has any proposed development ever included a pedestrian space fronting the jordan river? Is it even feasible? The San Antonio river walk is an extreme example but even cafe seating or a pedestrian shopping plaza along the river could be a game changer imo especially around the fair park area.
I've often pondered how different SLC would be had downtown been centered on the Jordan River rather than further east.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2022, 6:35 PM
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TMoneySLC - I think that's a fun question to ponder but do keep in mind that the Jordan River had a long history of destructive flooding until the Surplus Canal was constructed. So I'm not sure how long it would have remained there before people headed uphill.
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TMoneySLC - I think that's a fun question to ponder but do keep in mind that the Jordan River had a long history of destructive flooding until the Surplus Canal was constructed. So I'm not sure how long it would have remained there before people headed uphill.
Well yes, I mean almost every river floods. But certainly in the 1850's there was sufficient technology to mitigate seasonal floods.

Anyhow... I think that there are certainly opportunities that exist still to engage that environment in a way that enhances the use, environmental quality, and safety of the trail as well as provides a positive economic and community impact.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2022, 7:25 PM
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Related to the current conversation: I think there's tremendous potential at the Rocky Mountain Power site. In addition to being a large urban site that's close to the airport and fairpark, it's right at the intersection of the Jordan River and the North Temple TRAX line. It will be interesting what they come up with for the "Power District."

It's a perfect spot for an NFL or MLB stadium too. If the Chargers get tired of playing second fiddle to the Rams in LA, maybe they can come here and get their own new digs in the Power District!
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2022, 9:37 PM
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/\/\/\ Working on the Power District now, actually.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2022, 10:03 PM
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Concerning the Jordan River and flooding potential, if I were developing the Jordan River I’d be more worried that it dries up and turns into a stinky muddy canal from the ongoing drought.
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It's a perfect spot for an NFL or MLB stadium too. If the Chargers get tired of playing second fiddle to the Rams in LA, maybe they can come here and get their own new digs in the Power District!
I would love for a stadium to be built there and for them to incorporate the three smokestacks into the design somehow.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2022, 11:35 PM
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Spotted a crane at the site of The Worthington yesterday.
Walked by yesterday and that crane is there building a much larger crane.
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Walked by yesterday and that crane is there building a much larger crane.
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2022, 7:26 AM
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I would love for a stadium to be built there and for them to incorporate the three smokestacks into the design somehow.
I have always been a little confused about this project, is Pacificorp redeveloping the entire site except Gadsby? Or is Gadsby being decommissioned early? Because as of Pacificorp's 2021 IRP (pdf) Gadsby wont be decommissioned for another decade.
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2022, 7:28 AM
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Please for the love of everything good in the world tell me this billboard is getting removed.

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Old Posted Mar 11, 2022, 1:58 PM
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I have always been a little confused about this project, is Pacificorp redeveloping the entire site except Gadsby? Or is Gadsby being decommissioned early? Because as of Pacificorp's 2021 IRP (pdf) Gadsby wont be decommissioned for another decade.
Gadsby can be decommissioned early if needed by the chosen development group. Because of this, I do think that the Gadsby plant will be closed and decommissioned shortly after the completion of the new Pacificorp HQ building. This will allow for the demotion and cleanup of the plant to be included as part of the complex redevelopment.

This would be cheaper and safer in the long run.
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2022, 2:50 PM
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We gotta get rid of the Maverik Base Camp Building. My god.
I think it's great that a local company moved their headquarters from North Salt Lake to Downtown. Wish more local companies would follow their example. Admittedly not the most attractive tower.
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Please for the love of everything good in the world tell me this billboard is getting removed.

Haha! I drove past that the other day with my wife and said the exact same thing.
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Haha! I drove past that the other day with my wife and said the exact same thing.
Does the city have any power left when it comes to getting rid of billboards? Or has the state taken that all away?

If possible, I would honestly support the city eminent domaining the small properties all of these Reagan billboards sit on throughout Downtown and turning each into little microparks or (for really small spaces) xeriscaping spaces instead. Two birds, one stone sort of thing. That could at least get rid of a large portion of them. They could even do a series of public art pieces on the properties instead. Basically anything else would be preferable.
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2022, 4:23 PM
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My understanding is that the billboards have considerable (unreasonable) protections in place from the state level. The city would have to offer millions of dollars for each one if it wanted to use eminent domain.

It's really one of the most underrated issues in our state and city, partly because anyone trying to change the policies has to fight the fundraising and free advertising of the billboard companies. See: Ralph Becker.

Conspiracy theory: we lost the Utah Theatre (and the 200 S streetcar) because Ralph Becker came out against billboards and Jackie Biskupski was elected in his place. Blame the billboards.
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2022, 4:44 PM
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If the Chargers get tired of playing second fiddle to the Rams in LA, maybe they can come here and get their own new digs in the Power District!
Been a lifelong Chargers fan, born and raised in San Diego. They'd never be able to leave LA unless the team is sold to a new owner. They pay $1 a year lease for the best stadium in the world, they'll never be more popular than the Raiders in whatever city they move to, and they couldn't fill a soccer stadium for the 3 years they played there. Ironically they were originally the Los Angeles Chargers, but no one outside of San Diego cares much about them. Salt Lake would need a homegrown expansion team for it to have any shot at success. With the PSLs and high price of season tickets these days, Chargers struggled to even sell the minimum season tickets before SoFi opened, and that's drawing from the 2nd largest population in the country. An NFL team would most likely really struggle here, just like Jacksonville.
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