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Old Posted Jul 22, 2022, 10:15 PM
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The goal should absolutely be zero, but there will always be people prone to violence. It's fun to clutch pearls around the DTES, but how many people have actually died or been seriously harmed due to targeted random violence in recent memory? The Mexican tourist?
The Oppenheimer tent city is responsible for a few murders and assaults. Still doesn't excuse the hyperbole, but in fairness, there are pockets of violent a-holes.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2022, 10:21 PM
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The Oppenheimer tent city is responsible for a few murders and assaults. Still doesn't excuse the hyperbole, but in fairness, there are pockets of violent a-holes.
As far as I know, those are all "internal" disputes. My understanding is that violence between homeless people is generally pretty bad. I specifically mentioned "targeted random violence" to mean "violence towards people from outside the DTES"
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2022, 10:23 PM
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As far as I know, those are all "internal" disputes. My understanding is that violence between homeless people is generally pretty bad. I specifically mentioned "targeted random violence" to mean "violence towards people from outside the DTES"
That is a problem with not intervening in the situation in the DTES. The most vulnerable down there are usually the victims.
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Seriously, WTF is this!? (watch the video) Failed to appear in court, what a surprise. No doubt Shakwan will get a reduced sentence or no sentence at all.
Man accused of knocking B.C. mom and toddler to the ground appears in court
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The man accused of knocking a mother and toddler to the ground while fleeing from police in Vancouver’s Chinatown appeared in court on Friday.

Shackwan David Kelly was arrested Thursday, after a witness recognized him from media reports about the case.

During Friday’s hearing, Crown lawyers presented arguments seeking to have his bail revoked. That decision was put over until Monday.

The Chinatown incident is just one of several violent incidents Kelly is accused of perpetrating across the city in a single month.

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Old Posted Jul 23, 2022, 5:06 PM
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More details. Sounds like I was right about the bus attack.

...The 27-year-old is alleged to have assaulted two security guards at Vancouver General Hospital on June 19.

He is accused of assaulting the mother and child in Chinatown on July 9, while running from police responding to reports he was kicking cars.

And on July 19, while on bail, he is alleged to have assaulted someone at the Kettle Friendship Society...

...Global News has learned Kelly is under investigation in relation to another apparently random attack on a TransLink bus.

That incident took place on a bus travelling northbound on Main Street on June 20....


https://globalnews.ca/news/9010403/shackwan-kelly-vancouver-assaults-court/
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2022, 6:24 PM
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Crazy.

Clearly, this guy needs to be in a hospital or jail (pending a psychiatric evaluation), but by no means should he be allowed to be outside interacting with other people at this point in time.

We need way more investment in our mental healthcare system. No having a place to put someone like this is totally unacceptable. His next interaction with someone could end up as a homicide.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2022, 9:23 PM
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Ideally you'd want to be as close to zero as possible. That should be your objective. Plenty of cities in the world - including many much larger than Vancouver - are basically at zero violent stranger attacks per day. They are a totally freak occurrence there.

Saying that two per day is no big deal is basically opening the door to 3 per day, 4 per day, and so on... down the road.

The objective needs to be zero.
I didn't say we should accept two random attacks per day. What I said is I don't believe the current state justifies telling people to not venture into Chinatown at all, or to avoid going downtown in the evenings. I also don't think the current state justifies taking drastic actions against the homeless and addicted (except those who are guilty of violent crimes and have earned jail time or other stiff punishments).
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2022, 2:36 AM
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Surprised they haven't started camping on the street.

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Concerns flare about Vancouver tent city scaring away tourism from local businesses

Tourism operators are raising concerns that a new tent city along Vancouver’s East Hastings Street is driving customers away from area stores at the height of the summer tourist season.

Business groups are calling upon the city to quickly enact a supportive housing solution away from the district, using funding and subsidies from the B.C. government.

More than 130 tarps and tents crowded the two blocks between Main and Carrall streets one morning this week. The makeshift homes provided a sliver of shade and privacy to those inhabiting them; some had propane stoves and heaters.

“This is a business district. Though owners are devastated that so many people are homeless, they too are suffering, teetering on success or failure based on whether travellers explore our city,” Wagolet said. “Tourists are beginning to feel it’s too unsafe to visit shops because of their proximity to the area.”

After city workers, accompanied by police, were accused of dismantling and discarding unattended tents and other personal possessions left on the streets, city council voted to end the practice of daily “street sweeps” July 1.

“It’s been absolute chaos ever since,” said Jason Delesoy, manager of the Anthem Properties building at the intersection of Hastings and Carrall, which contains a cafe, lighting store and commercial offices with a secure entry system.

“We’ve had to double up on our private security, including hiring a guard to work weekends. It’s become dangerous, we’re seeing stabbings almost every day.”

As well as clearing sidewalks beside the building of garbage, Delesoy said security guards’ duties have included instructing lost tourists on the quickest route out of the area.

“Summer travellers come off the cruise ship, maps-in-hand, and wander down here. They get really scared and immediately ask us for help,” he said.

Vancouver police Sgt. Steve Addison confirmed that since the beginning of July disorder along East Hastings has increased.

“There have been a number of violent incidents … includ(ing) a man in a wheelchair who was stabbed while trying to navigate through tents and debris on the sidewalk and a woman in her 80s who was bear-sprayed earlier this week.”

Sunday last week, a 67-year-old woman was struck on the head with a butcher knife while walking near East Hastings and Carrall, Addison said.

Nathan Murdoch, co-founder of Toonie Tours walking tour company, said many of his customers are shocked to encounter East Hastings, a street that sits between two of the city’s oldest neighbourhoods, Gastown and Chinatown.

“We’ve tried to plan tours that didn’t include the area, but tourists weren’t interested. They want to see what has been advertised to them; the most historic spots of Vancouver.”

While community organizations agree that a lack of housing is to blame for the urban encampment, they say the most pressing issue is a lack of access to adequate sanitation and water for those who have set up camp.

“I don’t think anyone likes or wants to be blocking doorways or making it difficult to navigate the street — but the issue is that there isn’t housing,” said Fiona York, former project coordinator with the Carnegie Community Action Project.

Along with high-priced rents, York said a recent drop in vacancy at single-room occupancy hotels has contributed to an increasing number of people living on the street.

A 43-year-old veteran who has lived in a tent near the intersection of Carrall and East Pender streets for close to a month told Postmedia Thursday that setting up shelter along the sidewalk has offered him a level of protection than sleeping in a tent at CRAB Park.

“There are street lights here, and security cameras around so I get my stuff stolen less.”

Wagolet, who represents more than 500 businesses around Gastown, said the city and province need to create more sustainable housing solutions.

“It is crucial that the spaces the province and city establish are suited to the needs and well-being of the people within them,” Wagolet said. “What we are doing now is not working. They cannot keep forcing people without homes to move.”

The city said it plans to restore order to the street by hiring and equipping locals, including some who are experiencing homelessness, to carry out sidewalk cleaning and the removal of structures and fire hazards.

“We need to provide time to community groups to organize a block stewardship program to assist with this work,” the city said in an email Thursday.

Last week, Vancouver put out more garbage bins along Hastings. Its next stated mission is to increase access to public washrooms, of which only one is located nearby at the Carnegie Community Centre, which closes at 11 p.m. A toilet trailer is planned to be added to the area within the coming week.

When asked whether it has any plans to help alleviate the housing crunch, the province’s Ministry of Housing said that B.C. Housing has been “actively reaching out to those camping on the street or in parks to offer indoor spaces.”

“Staff, the City of Vancouver and our non-profit housing operators are working on building supportive homes for people experiencing or at risk of homelessness,” it responded by email.

“Since 2018, B.C. Housing has opened more than 1,400 supportive housing units in the city,” read the statement. A further 700 spaces are currently in development, it said.
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news...aring-away-tourism-from-local-businesses
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2022, 4:41 PM
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Langley shooting this morning, details are still vague at this point in time, but sounds like some guy went around shooting homeless in downtown Langley, sounds like one victim so far and the suspect is in custody, a cell phone alert was sent out to all cell phones around 6:20 am.
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Ok so which one of you guys was it? Vin? Whatnext?? Vigilante justice is never the answer guys...
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2022, 8:48 PM
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some guy went around shooting homeless in downtown Langley, sounds like one victim so far and the suspect is in custody,
That's just plain horrific.
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More details. Sounds like I was right about the bus attack.

...The 27-year-old is alleged to have assaulted two security guards at Vancouver General Hospital on June 19.

He is accused of assaulting the mother and child in Chinatown on July 9, while running from police responding to reports he was kicking cars.

And on July 19, while on bail, he is alleged to have assaulted someone at the Kettle Friendship Society...

...Global News has learned Kelly is under investigation in relation to another apparently random attack on a TransLink bus.

That incident took place on a bus travelling northbound on Main Street on June 20....


https://globalnews.ca/news/9010403/shackwan-kelly-vancouver-assaults-court/
I wonder who bailed him out....CivicBlues, that you?

Assisting or enabling criminals is never the answer yo....


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Ok so which one of you guys was it? Vin? Whatnext?? Vigilante justice is never the answer guys...
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2022, 9:03 PM
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That's just plain horrific.
Indeed.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/three-dead-langley-shooting

All the more municipalities should not allow the homeless folks to languish on the streets. Safer to be in the shelters.

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Ok so which one of you guys was it? Vin? Whatnext?? Vigilante justice is never the answer guys...
Well, the shooter is dead.
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Indeed.

All the more municipalities should not allow the homeless folks to languish on the streets. Safer to be in the shelters.
There aren't any spaces in shelters. (And many shelters don't allow people to stay in them during the day). Those that cared about homelessness in Langley were raising the alarm only a week ago. "The number of homeless is still rising faster than the creation of new spaces to get people off the street". Still there are two less today - that must make you happy?
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2022, 9:41 PM
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I wonder who bailed him out....CivicBlues, that you?

Assisting or enabling criminals is never the answer yo....
Yeah like I'm going to bail out some skid attacking Asian people. Come on man keep up
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2022, 10:31 PM
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Yeah like I'm going to bail out some skid attacking Asian people. Come on man keep up
Are you saying the homeless victims were Asian?

Anyway, you certainly wouldn't catch me anywhere east of Boundary for any reason.
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3 dead, including suspect, after multiple shootings in Langley, B.C.

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Two victims are dead and two others are seriously hurt after multiple shootings in Langley, B.C., on Monday prompted emergency alerts to the public.

A suspect known to police was later identified and shot dead by RCMP, ending a series of attacks officers initially said were targeted at homeless people in the community.

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There aren't any spaces in shelters. (And many shelters don't allow people to stay in them during the day). Those that cared about homelessness in Langley were raising the alarm only a week ago. "The number of homeless is still rising faster than the creation of new spaces to get people off the street". Still there are two less today - that must make you happy?
I don't quite buy that, but prove me wrong that there is indeed no space. The shooting was at 6am. No excuse for transients to be out and about at that time even if shelters don't house people in the day. Got you there, didn't I?
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Yeah like I'm going to bail out some skid attacking Asian people. Come on man keep up
Speak for yourself: Come on keep it up

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Ok so which one of you guys was it? Vin? Whatnext?? Vigilante justice is never the answer guys...
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2022, 1:53 AM
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Because of course, the shooter was a gentleman and couldn't possibly summon up the courage to shoot a transient while they were sleeping. Such dishonourable, disorderly behaviour!

And many people will confirm that some homeless are most definitely up and yelling prior to six in the morning.
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