Quebec, the French Language, and Quebecois Identity

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Loco101

What you wrote reminds me of what Jagmeet Singh would say about people criticizing those who wear religious headgear and/or clothing. He has called it racism. But that's not the definition of racism and he knows it yet he knows that it will trigger many of his supporters. Some people don't agree with the religious views of others and it's not about ethnicity or race.

I actually support Law 21 in Québec. I'm betting that most people in my city would support it as well.



I'm impressed that Québec is imposing capacity restrictions for religious gatherings and making attendees show proof of vaccination. Unfortunately in Ontario, the Ford government is pandering to religious groups as there are no capacity restrictions and no proof of vax is needed.

Quebec also does not accept (the extremely dubious) religious exemptions to vaccine obligations where it has authority.

Whereas the feds and I am sure other provinces do, obviously out of an interest to show respect and reverence for religions at all costs. And seemingly without doing any homework on it at all.

When Legault or Dubé(?) was asked about religious exemptions IIRC I think he may have chuckled before answering no immediately.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Loco101

I actually support Law 21 in Québec. I'm betting that most people in my city would support it as well.

Wait a minute, does that mean that this year we can expect Timmins to spend all of their municipal budget on improvements or maintenance within/around the city of Timmins?!?!?

Wow. I'm impressed. My hat's off to you guys

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by lio45

Wait a minute, does that mean that this year we can expect Timmins to spend all of their municipal budget on improvements or maintenance within/around the city of Timmins?!?!?

Wow. I'm impressed. My hat's off to you guys

Well add in some corruption to the maintenance and improvements .

But there would be a HUGE uproar if our city sent money outside of Timmins to fight a law that's not applicable to here. Especially with us having the highest property tax rates in the province and probably the worst state of infrustrature of any city in Ontario.

[gunnar777]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Quebec also does not accept (the extremely dubious) religious exemptions to vaccine obligations where it has authority.

Whereas the feds and I am sure other provinces do, obviously out of an interest to show respect and reverence for religions at all costs. And seemingly without doing any homework on it at all.

When Legault or Dubé(?) was asked about religious exemptions IIRC I think he may have chuckled before answering no immediately.

Actually, you are wrong. BC's rule is stricter in this regard - no religious exemptions and in fact no exemptions full stop where the province has authority, such as in healthcare. Unlike Quebec, they also followed through with their promise to bar unvaccinated healthcare workers from continuing to work.

That said, Quebec businesses' enforcement of our vaccine QR passport is, in my opinion, almost universal. A bit moot with the current closures but some things here are being done right.

[CivicBlues]

A man has shared an unfortunate encounter with a woman who went on a racist rant at a grocery store in Montreal.

The tirade, which was caught on video, features a woman claiming the pandemic happened as is still ongoing “because of you Chinese people.”

In the video, a woman — who’s yet to be identified — can be seen removing her mask and approaching the man filming, Ken Mak, at a Montreal IGA.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/anti-asi...tSRX5qBBlcnLa1RfouOMZst3KLvYyIxbNTKiQLTc

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2354314

[lio45]

Originally Posted by gunnar777

Actually, you are wrong. BC's rule is stricter in this regard

It's not stricter at all in that regard, it's equally strict (and honestly, kudos to BC for not bowing to the crazies), i.e. no religious exceptions whatsoever in both Quebec and BC.

You can't get any stricter on the crazies than "no religious exceptions whatsoever, none", that's peak strictness. The door is 100.00% closed on playing the religion card, it doesn't get any more closed.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/anti-asi...tSRX5qBBlcnLa1RfouOMZst3KLvYyIxbNTKiQLTc

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2354314

Yes, I saw that today. What a crazy bitch.

I assume that if she has any type of career she will be tracked down and "cancelled" because of this.

She also brags about being part of one of Montreal's top legal families. It's possible that they may get cancelled as well. Or at least "dinged".

[theman23]

Originally Posted by lio45

It's not stricter at all in that regard, it's equally strict (and honestly, kudos to BC for not bowing to the crazies), i.e. no religious exceptions whatsoever in both Quebec and BC.

You can't get any stricter on the crazies than "no religious exceptions whatsoever, none", that's peak strictness. The door is 100.00% closed on playing the religion card, it doesn't get any more closed.

IIRC there’s no need for an exemption because there is no vaccine mandate in Quebec for HCW. BC on the other hand has one.

Originally Posted by Acajack

Yes, I saw that today. What a crazy bitch.

I assume that if she has any type of career she will be tracked down and "cancelled" because of this.

She also brags about being part of one of Montreal's top legal families. It's possible that they may get cancelled as well. Or at least "dinged".

The lady is clearly having a bad day. Not sure why we need to cancel everyone that gets caught on tape at their worst.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by theman23

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The lady is clearly having a bad day. Not sure why we need to cancel everyone that gets caught on tape at their worst.

I was going to say that she did appear to be "on" something. Perhaps more medication than alcohol or illicit drugs.

I am not being facetious or snarky here but it does become a bit difficult to follow, as to what is absolutely intolerable and merits having one's career and life destroyed, and what doesn't.

By 2020-21 standards (not necessarily mine) this one does appear to be pretty bad, and would fit the bill IMO,

As is always the case after these kinds of videos are made public, there is a huge witchhunt going on on social media right now.

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by theman23

The lady is clearly having a bad day. Not sure why we need to cancel everyone that gets caught on tape at their worst.

Wow, just wow. You sound like that racist Atlanta cop who excused a mass shooter for "just having a bad day"
https://globalnews.ca/news/7704008/atlanta-spa-shootings-bad-day-racism/

[manny_santos]

Originally Posted by theman23

IIRC there’s no need for an exemption because there is no vaccine mandate in Quebec for HCW. BC on the other hand has one.



The lady is clearly having a bad day. Not sure why we need to cancel everyone that gets caught on tape at their worst.

I wouldn’t want someone that unhinged working for me.

[gunnar777]

Originally Posted by lio45

It's not stricter at all in that regard, it's equally strict (and honestly, kudos to BC for not bowing to the crazies), i.e. no religious exceptions whatsoever in both Quebec and BC.

You can't get any stricter on the crazies than "no religious exceptions whatsoever, none", that's peak strictness. The door is 100.00% closed on playing the religion card, it doesn't get any more closed.

BC's rule is stricter, because not only do they not provide an exemption on religious grounds, they also don't exempt healthcare workers. In QC, healthcare workers are exempted, even though the province could have required it. They just chose not to in the end.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Wow, just wow. You sound like that racist Atlanta cop who excused a mass shooter for "just having a bad day"
https://globalnews.ca/news/7704008/atlanta-spa-shootings-bad-day-racism/

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by theman23

And here is where they turn on you too.

They publish an updated list of approved "lines" every week. All you have to do is follow them and stick to the message!

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by Acajack

And here is where they turn on you too.

They publish an updated list of approved "lines" every week. All you have to do is follow them and stick to the message!

This entire sentiment is just wholly unconstructive. "I assume she'll get cancelled", "here is where they turn on you". Anything to excuse and bat away racism in public spaces against visible minorities in this country I guess, particularly against Asians since the beginning of COVID.

Want to not get cancelled? Don't be racist. Not difficult.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by JHikka

This entire sentiment is just wholly unconstructive. "I assume she'll get cancelled", "here is where they turn on you". Anything to excuse and bat away racism in public spaces against visible minorities in this country I guess, particularly against Asians since the beginning of COVID.

Want to not get cancelled? Don't be racist. Not difficult.

Typical attack based on personal animus and not facts.

theman23 is the one who advocated cutting her some slack, not me. But not a peep from you about that.

(I know that theman23 is fully capable of speaking for himself.)

I am just observing what the 2021 societal reaction is almost sure to be.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Typical attack based on personal animus and not facts.

theman23 is the one who advocated cutting her some slack, not me. But not a peep from you about that.

(I know that theman23 is fully capable of speaking for himself.)

I am just observing what the 2021 societal reaction is almost sure to be.

I can’t imagine many occupations where someone with that lack of self-control (or substance abuse problem) would make them a useful employee.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I am just observing what the 2021 societal reaction is almost sure to be.

Just baiting people to get into conversations about culture wars at every possible opportunity. Rinse, wash, repeat.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by acottawa

I can’t imagine many occupations where someone with that lack of self-control (or substance abuse problem) would make them a useful employee.

I don't disagree, unless perhaps this was absolutely the only time in her life that she did this. And she might never ever do it again. (I'd also add that she looks like an upper middle class individual, and the supermarket is in Île-des-Soeurs, which is a pretty posh area of Montreal. I mean, it has a chandelier hanging over the entrance.)

Though as I've already mentioned, societal standards in 2021, for better or for worse, generally don't allow one to even do this once and get caught doing it, and then simply continue to have the same life one had immediately prior to the incident.

[jamincan]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Typical attack based on personal animus and not facts.

theman23 is the one who advocated cutting her some slack, not me. But not a peep from you about that.

(I know that theman23 is fully capable of speaking for himself.)

I am just observing what the 2021 societal reaction is almost sure to be.

The problem is that you don't distinguish between what you assume the reaction will be from the actual reaction. Wasn't it only a week or two ago where you were complaining about English media overreacting about some issue and ignoring another when in fact the situation was entirely the reverse? Has the lady or her family been cancelled yet, or are we just going to continue to speculate and treat your assumptions as fact?