General Phoenix Metro Discussion Thread

[biggus diggus]

I just saw the Hyatt from the 202 West to 10 west ramp, which is a pretty good view of downtown. It looks awful. Terrible.

[fawd]

Originally Posted by biggus diggus

I just saw the Hyatt from the 202 West to 10 west ramp, which is a pretty good view of downtown. It looks awful. Terrible.

I thought it was a joke last time I was in town... literally.

[biggus diggus]

I was holding back judgment on the off chance it was a primer but they actually intentionally painted it like that.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Not sure if anyone has seen this site, but lots of cool drone videos of Downtown Phoenix. These are previews with about 20 seconds of footage without a purchase, but still enough in the previews to see some really good views of Downtown and some of the newer developments of Phoenix.

https://www.axiomimages.com/locations/phoenix

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

Not sure if anyone has seen this site, but lots of cool drone videos of Downtown Phoenix. These are previews with about 20 seconds of footage without a purchase, but still enough in the previews to see some really good views of Downtown and some of the newer developments of Phoenix.

https://www.axiomimages.com/locations/phoenix

Its amazing how much the small projects have increased the density and feeling of size for downtown.

https://www.axiomimages.com/aerial-s...DX0002_138_031

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by Obadno

Its amazing how much the small projects have increased the density and feeling of size for downtown.

https://www.axiomimages.com/aerial-s...DX0002_138_031

That's a good one. And what a difference Link makes to the skyline. So many good developments.

[vandypandybear]

Originally Posted by biggus diggus

I just saw the Hyatt from the 202 West to 10 west ramp, which is a pretty good view of downtown. It looks awful. Terrible.

Just in case anyone wants to see the repaint:

https://www.axiomimages.com/aerial-s...DX0002_140_010

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by vandypandybear

Just in case anyone wants to see the repaint:

https://www.axiomimages.com/aerial-s...DX0002_140_010

I walked by yesterday after work (before the rain hit). I was really hoping that something was going to be done with the brown stones. but it looks like they are wrapping up on the outside and cleaning up some of the construction areas. I'm not sure how this got approved. Surely, this had to be reviewed by the city before getting painted, right? I mean all the other renovations had months of notices and renderings (Renaissance, AZ Center, Park Central). How did this get through without the public having any input?

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

I walked by yesterday after work (before the rain hit). I was really hoping that something was going to be done with the brown stones. but it looks like they are wrapping up on the outside and cleaning up some of the construction areas. I'm not sure how this got approved. Surely, this had to be reviewed by the city before getting painted, right? I mean all the other renovations had months of notices and renderings (Renaissance, AZ Center, Park Central). How did this get through without the public having any input?

Probably because its mostly paint and doesn't meet the threshold for a deep review.

[Obadno]

https://chamberbusinessnews.com/2019...omic-momentum/

Arizona ranked third in economic momentum

Arizona was recently ranked third in the nation for economic momentum by State Policy Reports, which is a two-spot improvement from last year.

State Policy Reports is issued semi-monthly by Federal Funds Information, which analyzes the impact of federal activity in an effort to assist states in managing their federal funds.

The momentum is based on the state’s growth of personal income, employment and population, according to the report.

“Personal income, employment and population growth–the way it works is that they’re all interrelated. We’re a state that is very attractive to individuals when our economy is healthy,” said Jim Rounds, Rounds Consulting Group president.

As Arizona grows and more jobs become available, many of the state’s developments produce high-paying jobs.

“Now we’re starting to attract a new type of job, which is the higher wage jobs and that creates additional ripple effects in the economy that helps everybody. So, when you’re attracting the higher wage jobs you start to see better growth in personal income,” Rounds said.

The universities and other research efforts contribute to Arizona’s creation of high-paying job opportunities.

The Phoenix Biomedical Campus and its Wexford Science and Technology building, which recently broke ground, along with other developments are set to generate 7,000 new jobs in the health care and bioscience fields in 24 months.

Rounds explained that Arizona should continue to be responsible with its economic development programs and focus on building a quality workforce environment.

“We’re more maintaining a healthy economy rather than having to create this foundation from the beginning. It’s easier to maintain something. If you let things deteriorate, it can be very expensive to get it back in shape,” Rounds explained.

Round said it is important to “keep going with the policies we’ve been implementing” and set politics aside in an effort to figure out the best way to continuously improve the economy.

“If we continue to focus on all these fundamental things that we’ve been doing coming out of the governor’s office, even out of the Arizona Chamber [of Commerce and Industry], the work done by the Arizona-Mexico Commission, GPEC [Greater Phoenix Economic Council]- everybody’s kind of coming together and we’re working toward this quality component,” Rounds said.

While Arizona was ranked third in the nation for economic momentum, the work to improve economic health is never done, according to Rounds.

“What we want to do is we want to keep improving our position,” Rounds said. “So, it’s not necessarily ‘Are we winning a basketball game?’ It’s more like playing golf. Can we improve our score each time we go out there and can we better ourselves?”

Just an article that confirms more of what we've all been seeing/sensing.

[azliam]

MSA population estimates for 2018

New Census Bureau Estimates Show Counties in South and West Lead Nation in Population Growth

APRIL 18, 2019 — Counties with the largest numeric growth are all located in the south and the west, with counties in Texas taking four out of the top 10 spots according to new U.S. Census Bureau population estimates released today. By metropolitan area, Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, Texas, had the largest numeric growth with a gain of 131,767 (1.8 percent) in 2018, followed by Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, Ariz. with an increase of 96,268 (2.0 percent). Migration, both domestic and international, as well as natural increase contributed to the growth in each of these areas, with natural increase serving as the largest source of population growth in Dallas and domestic migration serving as the largest source in Phoenix.

“One interesting trend we are seeing this year is that metro areas not among the most populous are ranked in the top 10 for population growth,” said Sandra Johnson, a demographer in the Census Bureau’s Population Division. “Though no new metro areas moved into the top 10 largest areas, Phoenix, Seattle, Austin, and Orlando all experienced numeric increases in population since 2010, rivaling growth in areas with much larger populations. This trend is consistent with the overall growth we are seeing in the south and the west.”

More: https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres...nty-metro.html

Top 10 Metropolitan Areas in Numeric Growth: 2017 to 2018


1. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX

(April 1, 2010 - Estimates base) - 6,426,222

(July 1, 2017) - 7,407,944

(July 1, 2018) - 7,539,711

(Numeric Growth) - 131,767

2. Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ

(April 1, 2010 - Estimates base) - 4,193,127

(July 1, 2017) - 4,761,694

(July 1, 2018) - 4,857,962

(Numeric Growth) - 96,268

3. Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land, TX

(April 1, 2010 - Estimates base) - 5,920,487

(July 1, 2017) - 6,905,695

(July 1, 2018) - 6,997,384

(Numeric Growth) - 91,689

4. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell, GA

(April 1, 2010 - Estimates base) - 5,286,750

(July 1, 2017) - 5,874,249

(July 1, 2018) - 5,949,951

(Numeric Growth) - 75,702

5. Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL

(April 1, 2010 - Estimates base) - 2,134,402

(July 1, 2017) - 2,512,917

(July 1, 2018) - 2,572,962

(Numeric Growth) - 60,045

6. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA

(April 1, 2010 - Estimates base) - 3,439,805

(July 1, 2017) - 3,884,469

(July 1, 2018) - 3,939,363

(Numeric Growth) - 54,894

7. Austin-Round Rock, TX

(April 1, 2010 - Estimates base) - 1,716,321

(July 1, 2017) - 2,115,230

(July 1, 2018) - 2,168,316

(Numeric Growth) - 53,086

8. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA

(April 1, 2010 - Estimates base) - 4,224,966

(July 1, 2017) - 4,570,427

(July 1, 2018) - 4,622,361

(Numeric Growth) - 51,934

9. Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL

(April 1, 2010 - Estimates base) - 2,783,462

(July 1, 2017) - 3,091,225

(July 1, 2018) - 3,142,663

(Numeric Growth) - 51,438

10. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV

(April 1, 2010 - Estimates base) - 5,636,363

(July 1, 2017) - 6,200,001

(July 1, 2018) - 6,249,950

(Numeric Growth) - 49,949

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres...nty-metro.html

[CrestedSaguaro]

We are very close to that 5 mil mark. I'll bet we surpass it when the 2020 census figures come out.

Edit: Actually, looking at this again and checking out the stats for the Boston-Cambridge-Newton MSA, they are currently sitting at 4,875,390. I'm betting since this statistic is nearly 1 year old, we may now or are on the verge of passing them for the #10 spot.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

We are very close to that 5 mil mark. I'll bet we surpass it when the 2020 census figures come out.

Edit: Actually, looking at this again and checking out the stats for the Boston-Cambridge-Newton MSA, they are currently sitting at 4,875,390. I'm betting since this statistic is nearly 1 year old, we may now or are on the verge of passing them for the #10 spot.

I have a hard time believing we haven't passed it yet.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by Obadno

I have a hard time believing we haven't passed it yet.

Me too. But until I see the "official" numbers, I'm just being conservative.

[BA744PHX]

Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

We are very close to that 5 mil mark. I'll bet we surpass it when the 2020 census figures come out.

Edit: Actually, looking at this again and checking out the stats for the Boston-Cambridge-Newton MSA, they are currently sitting at 4,875,390. I'm betting since this statistic is nearly 1 year old, we may now or are on the verge of passing them for the #10 spot.

Unfortunately CSA is where Phoenix ranks only 13 or 14, i cant recall, All top Metros in the country are part of a CSA with the exception of Phoenix and San Diego.

However on citypopulation.de it shows Payson joining Phoenix and finally becoming a CSA, but Payson brings only 50K population

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by Daltnpapi4u

Unfortunately CSA is where Phoenix ranks only 13 or 14, i cant recall, All top Metros in the country are part of a CSA with the exception of Phoenix and San Diego.

However on citypopulation.de it shows Payson joining Phoenix and finally becoming a CSA, but Payson brings only 50K population

I dont know how I feel about "CSA" like I get why San Francisco and San Jose and LA-Riverside would be in a CSA but I dont know if I agree with NYC-Philly or even our own CSA that includes Payson

[TJPHXskyscraperfan]

Originally Posted by Obadno

I dont know how I feel about "CSA" like I get why San Francisco and San Jose and LA-Riverside would be in a CSA but I dont know if I agree with NYC-Philly or even our own CSA that includes Payson

I agree, I feel the Bay Area San Fran-Oakland-San Jose should be combined as one as it’s all the Bay Area and I feel that LA-Orange County and Riverside-San Bernardino is the same metro as you are driving through connecting cities. I don’t feel Payson should be part of our metro though,lol. That’s ridiculous, I don’t even think Casa Grande should be although I think Apache Junction should be because that’s a connecting city but they just count all of Pinal county when they say Mtero area, so whatever I guess.

[CrestedSaguaro]

The problem with CSA's is that they can overlap major metropolitan areas. Washington DC-Baltimore, Cleveland-Akron, Cincinnati-Dayton and many others are all individual metro's in their own right, but due to the social nature of these regions, they get classified into a broader "CSA" designation. Definition of CSA is "Combined statistical area (CSA) is a United States Office of Management and Budget (OMB) term for a combination of adjacent metropolitan (MSA) and micropolitan statistical areas (µSA) in the United States and Puerto Rico that can demonstrate economic or social linkage"

This is not the same thing as comparing individual metropolitan area populations and is not generally referenced when comparing the top 10 or top 20 or top anything when comparing metropolitan populations.

[combusean]

Originally Posted by TJPHXskyscraperfan

I agree, I feel the Bay Area San Fran-Oakland-San Jose should be combined as one as it’s all the Bay Area and I feel that LA-Orange County and Riverside-San Bernardino is the same metro as you are driving through connecting cities. I don’t feel Payson should be part of our metro though,lol. That’s ridiculous, I don’t even think Casa Grande should be although I think Apache Junction should be because that’s a connecting city but they just count all of Pinal county when they say Mtero area, so whatever I guess.

The MSAs are defined by commuting patterns in and around one or more counties. People just do not commute in any statistically significant numbers from the North Bay into San Jose making a giant MSA inappropriate for the Bay Area.

The oversized counties in Arizona make these direct comparisons less useful. I am not actually sure how Payson created a CSA now as opposed to decades ago, and using Census terminology they are not part of our "metro." I know this is splitting hairs at this point but the Census came up with it.

[TakeFive]

Originally Posted by combusean

The MSAs are defined by commuting patterns in and around one or more counties.

The oversized counties in Arizona make these direct comparisons less useful. .

I'd agree with respect to counties; they're organized and of different sizes depending... and for example, except for the city/county of Denver six different counties have a piece of metro Denver but are otherwise mostly rural. I generally prefer MSA's but there's value for CSA's too.

I also pointed out earlier how I enjoy USA Today's annual (in May) migration counts which is based on city-metros with the highest (and lowest) percentage growth as opposed to counting heads. Consequently it has an anti-big city bias. These cities may or might not be in a big MSA but do show overall migration trends generally to the south and west. They also show the renewed popularity of exurban growth.

In any case Phoenix/metro is growing (too fast) and over the next decade freeways, that aren't already, will become parking lots.