YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[zahav]

Really good stats again, 9.3% year over year is awesome so far! The first 3 months we are 9.5% growth. Really amazing in the international (non-US) growth, it's on a major tear! Here's an interesting one to show how "Misc. Other" (ie. Latin America) has become massive. Last March, Eurpe was 87,181 and Misc. was 87,334 so a vitrual tie. This March, Europe was 88,646 and Misc. is 115,571! That gap has widened hugely

[Johnny Aussie]

Yeah those are fantastic numbers for March.

Impressive but 2018 YTD is already > 500,000 over 2017.

Overall YTD up 505,900
Domestic YTD up 178,950
International YTD up 326,950

[hollywoodcory]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

new service of LH's new A350 from the seasonal from MUC. IIRC this is the first LH A350 to anywhere in north america...

LH was already serving MUC-DEN with the A350 since March.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by zahav

Really good stats again, 9.3% year over year is awesome so far! The first 3 months we are 9.5% growth. Really amazing in the international (non-US) growth, it's on a major tear! Here's an interesting one to show how "Misc. Other" (ie. Latin America) has become massive. Last March, Eurpe was 87,181 and Misc. was 87,334 so a vitrual tie. This March, Europe was 88,646 and Misc. is 115,571! That gap has widened hugely

I was noticing how "Misc.Other" is meant, as you sate, as Latin America (for the moment meaning Mexico).
I had thought that "Misc;" meant all charter and non-scheduled flights, wherever they might be to / from.
Would it be an idea to add the category of "Latin America" seperately, and leave "Misc." for other, non-specific routes? This might add clarity to the figures, I thought.
Thank you for time and consideration.

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I was noticing how "Misc.Other" is meant, as you sate, as Latin America (for the moment meaning Mexico).
I had thought that "Misc;" meant all charter and non-scheduled flights, wherever they might be to / from.
Would it be an idea to add the category of "Latin America" seperately, and leave "Misc." for other, non-specific routes? This might add clarity to the figures, I thought.
Thank you for time and consideration.

Then email the airport. No one here names the categories lol

[zahav]

Misc. isn't just Mexico, it is Mexico, Cuba, and all the Carribean destinations. I know Latin America is not the right word to encompass all of the Caribbean since there are english speaking places there too (ie Jamaica, which we have sun flights to), so they just use Misc. to mean anything other than Asia, Australia, and Europe. Technically if we had flights to Africa these would be in there too. But yes, if the airport feels the need to break out Mexico then they would, you can email and ask them. We just all know Mexico is the destination with the most scheduled flights and the most charter-type flights, we don't have massive travel to Dominician or the other Caribbean islands the way they do from out East. So we all casually say Misc. means Mexico, but it's noit actually true

[nname]

Originally Posted by zahav

Misc. isn't just Mexico, it is Mexico, Cuba, and all the Carribean destinations. I know Latin America is not the right word to encompass all of the Caribbean since there are english speaking places there too (ie Jamaica, which we have sun flights to), so they just use Misc. to mean anything other than Asia, Australia, and Europe. Technically if we had flights to Africa these would be in there too. But yes, if the airport feels the need to break out Mexico then they would, you can email and ask them. We just all know Mexico is the destination with the most scheduled flights and the most charter-type flights, we don't have massive travel to Dominician or the other Caribbean islands the way they do from out East. So we all casually say Misc. means Mexico, but it's noit actually true

"Central America"

And they could add South America category once there is any.. or they can just change to "Central and South America"... and I don't think we'll ever need to worry about Africa.

[LeftCoaster]

I believe the consensus is that Central America includes neither Mexico nor the Caribbean.

Geographically the Caribbean really should be since it's on the same tectonic plate, but Mexico definitely isn't.

[Hot Rod]

https://airlinerwatch.com/china-southern-to-receive-its-first-dreamliner/

On May 2, Boeing published the departure images of the first 787-9 destined for China Southern Airlines. .... ...

.... will be deployed from its base in Guangzhou-Baiyun to Wuhan and San Francisco airports in June, then to Vancouver from July 1st.

[nname]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I believe the consensus is that Central America includes neither Mexico nor the Caribbean.

Geographically the Caribbean really should be since it's on the same tectonic plate, but Mexico definitely isn't.

"Middle America" then

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_America_(Americas)

[LeftCoaster]

Middle America? I guess, though I personally think of the midwest when I hear that.

There isn't a great term for anything below the US but above South America.

[osirisboy]

The stupidest category name is transborder. Why not just say USA. Are there any other countries that would fall under transborder?

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by nname

March Passenger Stat


International: 1,102,168 (+11.5%)

international at YUL was +12.3% in march. Just sayin'

I give YVR a solid B+ in that category though.....

As for the "Misc" category, that's freaking racist......If I was a Mexican, i'd be offended. Especially considering misc has more passengers than Europe. Time for YVR to give "misc" the credit it deserves.....

lol...middle america...lol....well it's better than Misc.

[nname]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

the stupidest category name is transborder. Why not just say usa. Are there any other countries that would fall under transborder?

YVR-FSP maybe?

I wonder how YUL counted that one...

[Johnny Aussie]

AA’s inaugural flight to ORD (AA 2213) is in the air.

Quite a few new routes coming online in May and June.

MEL, DEL commence year round flights on AC. Seasonal CDG and ZRH start in a few weeks. Year round SMF also kicks off in 2 weeks.

Flair’s additional routes kick off to YYC, YXS and YWG in mid June.

There are plenty of other frequency additions.

And YVR’s 24th foreign overseas carrier Hainan commences in 3 weeks to TSN and SZX.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

The stupidest category name is transborder. Why not just say USA. Are there any other countries that would fall under transborder?

StatsCan uses the term transborder. That's probably why Canadian airports go the extra mile to use it as well.

Originally Posted by nname

YVR-FSP maybe?

I wonder how YUL counted that one...

Technically, there is no land border to cross, and as FSP is part of France, it's counted as international. Now if Quebec were to separate, that would definately make the use of the word "transborder" more problematic .....

As it stands right now, it's pretty obvious what transborder means.

[Johnny Aussie]

Most airports around the world breakup their stats as:

Overall
Domestic
International

Canada goes one step further:

Overall
Domestic
Transborder
International (other than USA)

YVR is the only airport in Canada that breaks down their stats more specifically.

I don’t think we need to get too hung up on this.

[zahav]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

international at YUL was +12.3% in march. Just sayin'

I give YVR a solid B+ in that category though.....

As for the "Misc" category, that's freaking racist......If I was a Mexican, i'd be offended. Especially considering misc has more passengers than Europe. Time for YVR to give "misc" the credit it deserves.....

lol...middle america...lol....well it's better than Misc.

YVR's purely international growth was higher than YUL's, it was 17.3% vs. 11.8% for YUL. The 11.5% combined transborder and international together is lower though yes

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by zahav

YVR's purely international growth was higher than YUL's, it was 17.3% vs. 11.8% for YUL. The 11.5% combined transborder and international together is lower though yes

So in other words Vancouver had a lower international growth rate than Montreal

[LeftCoaster]

Not the way Canadian airports strangely measure intl but yes by and other country's calculations YVR had 11.5% Intl+Transborder growth whereas YUL had 12.3%.

YVRs transbroder was relatively low in march at 6.0% whereas YUL had a huge month at 13.0%