The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[bridgeoftea]

Nothing project related, just a question.

Was there ever talk back in the day of infilling the marshland between the Causeway and Thorne Ave? Or is that just a recipe for disaster trying to infill on a marshy land? I'm pretty sure that spot was used for shipbuilding in the past?

Just curious as it's a shame that section of land is essentially useless lol wouldn't be so bad if they had walking trails or something around it (if they could)

[ColSJ]

Originally Posted by bridgeoftea

Nothing project related, just a question.

Was there ever talk back in the day of infilling the marshland between the Causeway and Thorne Ave? Or is that just a recipe for disaster trying to infill on a marshy land? I'm pretty sure that spot was used for shipbuilding in the past?

Just curious as it's a shame that section of land is essentially useless lol wouldn't be so bad if they had walking trails or something around it (if they could)

I believe that would be a recipe for disaster. IIRC there are sketches for walking trails in the area that go down the marshy lands behind Rothesay Avenue.

I’ve always thought it would be nice to tear up the causeway and replace it with a nice looking bridge but again that would likely create a mess. I wonder what the long term plan is for the causeway. If climate change truly raises the sea level the causeway will be one of the first roads in the city to go.

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by bridgeoftea

Nothing project related, just a question.

Was there ever talk back in the day of infilling the marshland between the Causeway and Thorne Ave? Or is that just a recipe for disaster trying to infill on a marshy land? I'm pretty sure that spot was used for shipbuilding in the past?

Just curious as it's a shame that section of land is essentially useless lol wouldn't be so bad if they had walking trails or something around it (if they could)

It's full of creosote, IIRC, and is about 3-7 feet above sea level. And it's not useless- wetlands are important! Building up this area would cause a domino effect of more flooding all through the Marsh Creek watershed.

Here's a read on former uses https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=http...CA0QjhxqFwoTCNjY-oCZqfoCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD


And here's what ACAP proposes. Note the trail on the west bank of the creek. https://www.acapsj.org/planning/

[DyAm00394]

I came across this. Saint John will see its last harness race on Oct. 15 after the Saint John Exhibition Association decided against renewing a lease with the harness racing group operating at the Exhibition Park Raceway. Below is a quote from the article that I found interesting. Maybe a redevelopment of the land is planned/envisioned?

"In a written statement, the board of the Saint John Exhibition Association confirmed Friday its decision not to renew the lease, noting that its mandate is to "provide service to the community by making the best use of the lands and facilities." It cited several initiatives like the creation of the Irving Oil Field House.

"The board of directors has decided to position itself to be able to explore opportunities that may have the potential to make better use of the lands and facilities," the statement reads".

https://tj.news/telegraph-journal/101971827

[cdnguys]

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[cdnguys]

Not sure if anyone discussed this already, but on Sept 20 PAC agenda there is an item for a new street (North Ridge - has to be changed not acceptable for 911) for 3 buildings 225 units. Roughly near intersection of Woodward/Boars Head and Ragged Point Rds. Also a 12 unit building across the street from the XTR gas station on Loch Lomand Rd

[ColSJ]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Not sure if anyone discussed this already, but on Sept 20 PAC agenda there is an item for a new street (North Ridge - has to be changed not acceptable for 911) for 3 buildings 225 units. Roughly near intersection of Woodward/Boars Head and Ragged Point Rds. Also a 12 unit building across the street from the XTR gas station on Loch Lomand Rd

The 225 units is from the development last year that was immediately put on the market after it got all the rezonings it needed. Developer is planning to sell the project in 3 phases by building.

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by ColSJ

The 225 units is from the development last year that was immediately put on the market after it got all the rezonings it needed. Developer is planning to sell the project in 3 phases by building.

Ah right ! That was a big disappointment - councillors should now inquire “are you the developer, or you just building a package to sell?”

[ColSJ]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Ah right ! That was a big disappointment - councillors should now inquire “are you the developer, or you just building a package to sell?”

Lots of discussion on this matter these days. I know councillor Killan, Harris and Hickey are working on something that will address this by 2023.

[bridgeoftea]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

I came across this. Saint John will see its last harness race on Oct. 15 after the Saint John Exhibition Association decided against renewing a lease with the harness racing group operating at the Exhibition Park Raceway. Below is a quote from the article that I found interesting. Maybe a redevelopment of the land is planned/envisioned?



https://tj.news/telegraph-journal/101971827

That will be a shame if it's true. Seems like there's lots of people parked on Saturdays watching the harness races. It's a great free activity you can do for an hour if you bring a lunch.

Honestly, the bigger question is, when do they shut down the Saint John ex? Aside from the rides and food trucks, there's like 15 animals at most? Some plants, garden competition and the domino guy lol. Maybe they can use the harness barns for more stuff in the future?

[ColSJ]

Well this isn’t good news…

Developer’s money problems spill into the community

https://tj.news/telegraph-journal/101971768?ref=tw

Viva Developments is in the news for not paying their contractors. Their project off Prince Street is stalled as it appears no one wants to work with them and they have money problems.

They are also the ones behind the now burnt collapsed building on Taylor Avenue that has been sitting in disrepair for almost a year now.

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by ColSJ

Well this isn’t good news…

Developer’s money problems spill into the community

https://tj.news/telegraph-journal/101971768?ref=tw

Viva Developments is in the news for not paying their contractors. Their project off Prince Street is stalled as it appears no one wants to work with them and they have money problems.

They are also the ones behind the now burnt collapsed building on Taylor Avenue that has been sitting in disrepair for almost a year now.

The Prince St project is in the process of being sold to an Ontario developer, according to the same article. There's what, half a dozen garden homes/townhouses sitting there half finished? Easy project for someone to walk into and finish up.

It's a shame Viva is going like this. After their very successful Mitchell St project I thought they had the juice to tackle half a cul-de-sac.

[ColSJ]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

The Prince St project is in the process of being sold to an Ontario developer, according to the same article. There's what, half a dozen garden homes/townhouses sitting there half finished? Easy project for someone to walk into and finish up.

It's a shame Viva is going like this. After their very successful Mitchell St project I thought they had the juice to tackle half a cul-de-sac.

I see all the properties north of this complex towards the throughway have sold recently. I wonder if something is in the works?

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

The Prince St project is in the process of being sold to an Ontario developer, according to the same article. There's what, half a dozen garden homes/townhouses sitting there half finished? Easy project for someone to walk into and finish up.

It's a shame Viva is going like this. After their very successful Mitchell St project I thought they had the juice to tackle half a cul-de-sac.

My friends moved out of Mitchell complex couple months ago due to leaky roof.

[RR Drummer]

Noticed a stack of steel and a crane was working on piling the first steel beams at the former Three Mile/aka the new Popeyes Chicken site today.

[ColSJ]

I noticed in this week’s council packet Envision Saint John provided feedback on the city’s affordable housing action plan. In their feedback they mentioned their internal analysis makes them believe the Saint John region will have grown by 2000-2500 people over 2021-2022.

2500 people would be just shy of 2% growth.

[DyAm00394]

Former Reversing Falls Café Will Be Demolished

https://www.country94.ca/2022/10/03/former-reversing-falls-cafe-will-be-demolished

"Saying goodbye to a fixture that has overlooked Reversing Falls in Saint John for two decades.

Council voted last week to demolish the building which formerly housed the 14 1/2 Café and Bar.

According to the motion, the building at 450 Fallsview Drive will be demolished by March 31, 2023.

In May, council voted to terminate the lease with Connections Bistro Inc., which had operated the café since 2018. No details were given as to why the lease was terminated.

The following month, council sought expressions of business interest (EOI) for the building and surrounding land.

“The City has determined there is an opportunity to re-envision the Site and the nature of the operations thereon for operations commencing no earlier than 2023,” said the request for expressions of interest.

“As such, the City is seeking expressions of business interest to ascertain what options and ideas might exist in the community to make the highest and best use of the Site.”

The EOI documents said the building has been used as a restaurant/licensed café over the past 17 years but has been closed for the past two years.

A building condition assessment included with the EOI request indicated that the building is in “generally fair condition” but requires “substantial work” in the short term due to water entry and damage to the east elevation, as well as the age and condition of the patio areas.

“The current infrastructure deficit is higher than would typically be anticipated for a facility such as this and the ongoing recapitalization requirements are considered to be extraordinary,” said the assessment.

“The building presents as a generally well operated and maintained facility, though with component deficiencies that will require repair and replacement for the continued operation of the building.”

The assessment, dated November 2021, said the facility needed $193,000 in capital investments over the next year and $221,000 in investments over the next five years".

[DyAm00394]

Found this neat website that lists upcoming construction projects across Canada. Here are some highlights of some projects listed in recent months for Saint John.

• The new NB Museum being listed. The value is $22,000,000 with the work type being new, (so new construction). And a start date listed of April 2023.

• Lots of bigger value apartments/condos, (some with retail) also listed for start dates in 2023 and beyond.

• A new construction of a "Clubs, Community Centers", valued at $60,000,000 with a start date of September 2026.

• A new construction of a "College, University, Athletic Buildings" valued at $20,000,000 with a start date of August 2023.

Link to the website: https://canada.constructconnect.com/joc/...bpfaNCQVvvS9zwPmeVkViOXpJmvf-ofkv09qNNF8

Link to the new museum listing: https://canada.constructconnect.com/joc/...ada/2129DD92-CDC7-499D-A222-C735B0F07216

[bridgeoftea]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

Found this neat website that lists upcoming construction projects across Canada. Here are some highlights of some projects listed in recent months for Saint John.

• The new museum being listed. The value is $22,000,000 with the work type being new, (so new construction). And a start date of April 2023.

• Lots of bigger value apartments/condos, (some with retail) also listed for start dates in 2023 and beyond.

• A new construction of a "Clubs, Community Centers", valued at $60,000,000 with a start date of September 2026.

• A new construction of a "College, University, Athletic Buildings" valued at $20,000,000 with a start date of August 2023.

Link to the website: https://canada.constructconnect.com/joc/...bpfaNCQVvvS9zwPmeVkViOXpJmvf-ofkv09qNNF8

Link to the new museum listing: https://canada.constructconnect.com/joc/...ada/2129DD92-CDC7-499D-A222-C735B0F07216

The Atheltics building is probably the indoor tennis court that was proposed for the university.

[DyAm00394]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

Found this neat website that lists upcoming construction projects across Canada. Here are some highlights of some projects listed in recent months for Saint John.

• The new NB Museum being listed. The value is $22,000,000 with the work type being new, (so new construction). And a start date listed of April 2023.

• Lots of bigger value apartments/condos, (some with retail) also listed for start dates in 2023 and beyond.

• A new construction of a "Clubs, Community Centers", valued at $60,000,000 with a start date of September 2026.

• A new construction of a "College, University, Athletic Buildings" valued at $20,000,000 with a start date of August 2023.

Link to the website: https://canada.constructconnect.com/joc/...bpfaNCQVvvS9zwPmeVkViOXpJmvf-ofkv09qNNF8

Link to the new museum listing: https://canada.constructconnect.com/joc/...ada/2129DD92-CDC7-499D-A222-C735B0F07216

Came across another listing from the website, a mixed-use retail/apartments/offices/restaurants/clubs/community centers development valued at $102,000,000 with a start date of June 2024. Says funding is from the city. https://canada.constructconnect.com/joc/...ada/36994C5B-C654-4851-9AC8-8A0B81A13AB4

I want to make note that the listings on this website are Pre-bid construction projects, including conceptual and planning projects in pre-design, schematic design, design development, and construction documents stages across Canada.

Here's a link for the Saint John specific listings: https://canada.constructconnect.com/joc/...0John%20County%7CNew%20Brunswick~&stage=