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Old Posted Mar 19, 2011, 2:33 AM
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I like how One World Trade Center looks all lit up at night


     
     
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2011, 2:49 AM
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2011, 3:36 AM
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Hello guys, I got more renderings and models of the structural and steel frame of the One World Trade Center. The following renderings and models show the metal and steel that is currently being installed on the 57th, 58th, and 59th floors.

Since the blue cocoon wrap is obstructing the view of the steel frame behind, I hope these will create an image in your head of what it looks like:


The image below is a model representing what the 59th floor looks like right now, as construction workers are installing the steel.


The following images show the curtain wall glass on the 57th, 58th, and 59th floor. Since the glass installation hasn't reached these floors yet, these models will give an idea of what it should look like:
Just a silly question, where did you get the info to build those models from ?

Not to be rude, but they are all wrong ! Please DO NOT GUESS, (unless you have a DS) then you would only be mostly wrong.)

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If I am not mistaken, the highest corner nodes are even "Node-ier" and appear wider at the top, because that is the level where a new stack of slanted columns start on the sloping sides.

(Not using any technical terms, obviously.)
LOL, you are correct, they are wider at the top. They are constructed from solid steel plate and are over twice as wide at the top.

DS=Doctorate of Science

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Old Posted Mar 19, 2011, 1:17 PM
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To Zensteeldude, I have a friend who works on the Seven World Trade Center on one of the top floors.

Before the 1WTC reached his floor, he took pictures of the 1WTC from his office above and sent them to me. The pictures show the steel as well as a side view that I can clearly see through the blue cocoon wrap. Unfortunately, he wouldn't post them here, so I decided to make a model with the pictures he sent.

By the way, I have worked for 5 years on a small architectural firm (not an architect), that specializes in architectural renderings for buildings. Me, along with my team, have made roughly hundreds of renderings on hundreds of different buildings.

BTW, how do you think the best architects and engineers coordinate their projects? "Guessing" is pretty much all there is to renderings of future buildings. I mean, how do you think those renderers and architects who provided wtc.com their renderings?? They "guess" everything via provided facts from architects and planners. Thus, they take the time to model a "preview" on how the finished lobby or building is going to look like. Of course, those renderings on wtc.com might not look
100% exactly how it looks in the finished built building, but it gives a "preview" of the final product.

In my case, I'm "previewing" the steel beams and office floors from the 14 photos provided by my friend who works on the 7WTC.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2011, 1:27 PM
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Yeah I agree with big towers, I mean, you don't have anything to work with when you're making renderings of building that hasn't been built yet... Only measurements and dimensions and the word of mouth from architects.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2011, 4:12 PM
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To Zensteeldude"Guessing" is pretty much all there is to renderings of future buildings. I mean, how do you think those renderers and architects who provided wtc.com their renderings?? They "guess" everything via provided facts from architects and planners.
If you have the actual blueprints, it's much easier - and Zen has them. Zen, would you care to re-post the picture of these plans that you keep in your gun safe?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2011, 4:58 PM
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Let the news circus begin. From the AP...

At ground zero, the future finally appears

Mar 19, 11:50 AM (ET)
By DAVID B. CARUSO

NEW YORK (AP) - The noise at ground zero is a steady roar. Engines hum. Cement mixers churn. Air horns blast. Cranes, including one that looks like a giant crab leg, soar and crawl over every corner of the 16-acre site.

For years, the future has been slow to appear at the site of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. But with six months remaining until the national 9/11 memorial opens, the work to turn a mountain of rubble into some of the inspiring moments envisioned nearly a decade ago is thundering forward.

One World Trade Center, otherwise known as the Freedom Tower, has joined the Manhattan skyline. Its steel frame, already clad in glass on lower floors, now stands 58 stories tall and is starting to inch above many of the skyscrapers that ring the site. A new floor is being added every week.

The mammoth black-granite fountains and reflecting pools that mark the footprints of the fallen twin towers are largely finished, and they are a spectacle. Workers have already begun testing the waterfalls that will ultimately cascade into a void in the center of each square pit. The plaza that surrounds them has the potential to be one of the city's awesome public spaces once construction is complete. Some 150 trees have already been planted in the plaza deck, even as workers continue to build it.

The memorial plaza won't be complete when it opens on Sept. 11, 2011, and a tour of the site last week makes clear that work around it will continue for years. Mud is still plentiful at ground level, and for now the site is dominated by the same concrete-gray shades that blanketed lower Manhattan after the 9/11 attacks.

But the agency that owned the trade center and has spent nearly a decade rebuilding it is aiming to deliver a memorial experience on 9/11/11 that closes one chapter - marked by mourning - and ushers in a new experience, where ground zero again becomes part of the city's everyday fabric.

"We want people to be able to see that downtown does have this incredible future to it," said Chris Ward, executive director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. "The work will not be done on that day. What we hope will be done is the sense of frustration."

For now, the complexity and scale of the construction is evident in every corner.

Workers labor around the clock. During the busiest shifts, around 2,800 people - mostly men - labor amid tangles and ravines of steel. In one steel cavern that will become a transit hub concourse, showers of orange sparks fly as welders install trusses weighing up to 50 tons.

From the top of One World Trade, the view is spectacular, as it was from the twin towers, even though the building stands at 680 feet, less than halfway to its planned 1,776-foot height. Visitors to the upper floors can see the grand sweep of the Hudson River and New York Harbor, dotted with container ships, all the way to Sandy Hook at the northern tip of the Jersey Shore. People at ground level can now see the tower, too, from a growing number of places in the city and across the river in New Jersey.

High in the tower, safety is a big concern. There is netting everywhere to keep pieces of this or that from falling into the void below.

On the 29th floor, men preparing to install window glass last week were tethered to the building by safety cables as they worked near the ledge. Even their hard hats were attached by a safety line, in case they were knocked over the side. A yellow line, painted on the concrete deck, marked how close workers are allowed to stand without wearing a safety harness.

The building's glass curtain wall now rises to the 27th floor. After initial slow progress, the crews are getting better and faster at getting each pane in place, while managing wind that pushes each big sheet around like a sail. By Sept. 11, the building is expected to be 80 stories high, making it the tallest tower downtown.

A huge portion of the reconstruction of the trade center is taking place below ground. The underground halls that house the memorial are cavernous, and in their unfinished state look like some unexplored temple in an Indiana Jones movie.

The 60-foot-high slurry wall of reinforced concrete on the western edge of the site, meant to hold back the Hudson River, is two-thirds taller than Fenway Park's left field fence, and bears similarities in size and appearance to the Western Wall in Jerusalem.

The huge boxes that hold the waterfall pits visible from the surface are somehow suspended from the ceiling, held up by pillars that don't seem big enough to support the blocks' massive weight.

A maze of tunnels, catwalks and narrow, temporary staircases connect the various underground levels.

The complexity of the project is evident everywhere, but the choreography involved in keeping the place going is best demonstrated by the engineering feats that have been performed to prevent construction from disrupting the city's subway system.

The tunnel holding Manhattan's No. 1 subway tracks was buried beneath a mountain of rubble after the attacks. The tube now runs right through the middle of the site, hurdling thousands of passengers through ground zero every day.

To rebuild, work crews needed to excavate nearly 100 feet down below it, but rather than reroute service and demolish the tunnel, they merely propped it up on huge pilings and dug beneath it. The tracks, still encased in their old concrete tube, now sit suspended in mid-air as work takes place below, above and on either side.

Ward said he hoped people will be able to see in six months that, despite the ongoing construction, the site's days as a disaster zone are ending.

"It will be a place where you meet a friend for lunch. Where you meet a date. Where you race across the plaza and beneath the trees to get out of the rain," he said. "We want New Yorkers to make their own narrative there."
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Glad to see the central core of the 2WTC rising!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2011, 8:27 PM
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None of the architects I ever met guessed, they used the prints.

(Sketchup model based on the structural drawings.)


Don098, you mean these ?


The thick one in the middle is the architectural drawings, the rest are structural and MEP.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2011, 9:20 PM
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None of the architects I ever met guessed, they used the prints.

(Sketchup model based on the structural drawings.)


Don098, you mean these ?


The thick one in the middle is the architectural drawings, the rest are structural and MEP.
Zen, a couple of quick questions. Why do you keep your copy of the prints of Tower 1 WTC in a "Gun Safe" ? Why dont the people that gave you the print dont allow you to share them with others? Just food for thought.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2011, 9:21 PM
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Zen, I'm not an architect. I work on a designing team FOR an architect. Our team basically works with architects and provide solutions by means of graphics and renderings.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2011, 9:24 PM
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Zen, a couple of quick questions. Why do you keep your copy of the prints of Tower 1 WTC in a "Gun Safe" ? Why dont the people that gave you the print dont allow you to share them with others? Just food for thought.
It's because of fear it might fall in the wrong hands. These prints contain plans that will aid terrorists/people in planning attacks. Let's just keep it at that.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2011, 9:36 PM
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Zen, a couple of quick questions. Why do you keep your copy of the prints of Tower 1 WTC in a "Gun Safe" ? Why dont the people that gave you the print dont allow you to share them with others? Just food for thought.
Security, security, and more security. I keep them in my gun safe because they should have been destroyed about a year ago.

They don't hand out these prints to just anyone, and the people that do get the prints must have a very good reason for having them and sign a copy of the non-disclosure agreement.

A gun safe is where weapons are stored to prevent there theft or mis-use. I keep the prints on a shelf in the gun safe just above the 13.2mm model 1917 anti-tank rifle my grandfather brought back from WW1. ( I also own a number of other firearms such as a H&K G3KA4 and a Winchester .308 hunting rifle.)

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Security, security, and more security. I keep them in my gun safe because they should have been destroyed about a year ago.

They don't hand out these prints to just anyone, and the people that do get the prints must have a very good reason for having them and sign a copy of the non-disclosure agreement.

A gun safe is where weapons are stored to prevent there theft or mis-use. I keep the prints on a shelf in the gun safe just above the 13.2mm model 1917 anti-tank rifle my grandfather brought back from WW1. ( I also own a number of other firearms such as a H&K G3KA4 and a Winchester .308 hunting rifle.)
If your job depends on having destroyed those plans you decided instead to keep... you might consider not advertising the fact you have them on the Internet. It might not be that hard for your employers to figure out who zen is...
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I am my employer and it's all good. I am keeping to the agreement and even exceeding it.
     
     
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I was there Thursday, took a few closeup pics...









     
     
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This tower is looking good. Can't wait to see it in person in a few months.
     
     
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I am my employer and it's all good. I am keeping to the agreement and even exceeding it.
Maybe, but you should probably give yourself written permission just to be safe.
     
     
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