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Old Posted May 24, 2019, 8:10 PM
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The best way to drive ridership is to create captive riders - i.e. car free households. To do this you have to allow people to get by without a car at all times of the day, not just during rush hour. Otherwise you will forever only compete when taking the car is really unmatractive.. in rush hour.
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Makes sense then.

There's a huge middle area between rush hour service and 24 hour service and only so much money to go around. It's about generating new ridership for the least amount of funds which sometimes flies in the face of real cities have 24 hour service rhetoric.

I grew up in urban utopias that closed their doors at 6PM and on the weekends.
Running money loosing bus once every half hour for 4-6 hours is worth it. Over time, people will know it exists and no longer fear the late hours o no bus service.

Makes me think of Whitby in the early 2000s. I was in college and I found out that Whitby Transit did not run regular service after about 6pm. It was a dial a bus. This was before cell phones were really popular with college students. Needless to say, I got my first car within a year.
     
     
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What really strikes me about that picture is how it's such a huge area in a central part of the city taken out of public use - for what looks like a good while.
The picture makes it look worse than it is I think, because it's honestly about as good as you could get for a full intersection closure. Most of the crosswalks and sidewalks have remained open and the roads themselves are only supposed to be closed for a few weeks.
     
     
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Old Posted May 24, 2019, 8:15 PM
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The picture makes it look worse than it is I think, because it's honestly about as good as you could get for a full intersection closure. Most of the crosswalks and sidewalks have remained open and the roads themselves are only supposed to be closed for a few weeks.
Good news. I was just a bit taken aback by such a wide area being turned into a no man's land by a construction project. (Realizing that sometimes they have no choice.)
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Old Posted May 25, 2019, 12:12 PM
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After something like three years of continuous appearances on Confederation Line updates, the Tremblay Station public art has finally been installed. The covered walkway directs people to Ottawa's main VIA Rail terminal a few O-Train stations east of downtown.

From David Bellerive's Twitter.







https://twitter.com/dbellerive15/status/1132090173825716225

Blair Station from City Councillor Tierney's Twitter.


https://twitter.com/TimTierney/status/1131990247133331456
     
     
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Old Posted May 27, 2019, 5:56 PM
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Valley Line LRT construction in Downtown Edmonton.


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Old Posted May 27, 2019, 6:46 PM
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That is one big construction site! Will the street become a transit mall like Calgary or will it be shared with passenger vehicles and other?
     
     
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Old Posted May 27, 2019, 7:17 PM
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Blair Station from City Councillor Tierney's Twitter.


https://twitter.com/TimTierney/status/1131990247133331456
This may be just because of the angle the photo was taken... but it seems like the orientation of the tail track does not allow an easy extension of the line using the transitway ROW?
     
     
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Old Posted May 27, 2019, 7:34 PM
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This may be just because of the angle the photo was taken... but it seems like the orientation of the tail track does not allow an easy extension of the line using the transitway ROW?
The line will turn slightly north (left) to use the underpass pictured in-line with the busway and strengthen out after for a few hundred meters before crossing to the highway median. They had originally planned to re-build Blair Road and have the Line run straight thought, but decided to us the existing underpass to save money. That of course will slow down the train, increase maintenance costs (that one thing isn't too bad, but factor in all other value engineered changes, and it adds up), complicate the bus routes and require additional infrastructure for the future BRT planned to run south/east from Blair Station.

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Here's the re-alignment as presented in March 2016. The article also includes proposed changes to Cleary Station, which has since been moved to its final location a few meters south west to the linear park as an open air-station (a cut-and-cover tunnel will stretch from past Dominion Station in the east to just before Lincoln Fields as the western portal, with two open-air stations, Cleary and New Orchard) and Montreal Station's move to the median of the highway, which has been maintained in the final plans.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/cleary-station-lrt-ottawa-1.3506075

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[QUOTE=J.OT13;8585876]That is one big construction site! Will the street become a transit mall like Calgary or will it be shared with passenger vehicles and other?[/QUOTE

Not quite a transit mall - it will be shared with one westbound vehicular lane, bi-directional separated bike lanes and sidewalks.
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Rideau Station west concourse fare gates.


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Rideau Station west concourse fare gates.


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Yeah I think we need those little gate arrows for all of our skytrain fare gates as well in Vancouver. The amount of people I have seen that walked into the wrong fare gate after tapping their card is more than I expected.
     
     
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That is one big construction site! Will the street become a transit mall like Calgary or will it be shared with passenger vehicles and other?[/QUOTE

Not quite a transit mall - it will be shared with one westbound vehicular lane, bi-directional separated bike lanes and sidewalks.
...eastbound

sidewalk-LRT/LRT-eastbound-bike/bike-sidewalk

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Hmm... fare gates, not an honour fare system. So it's basically a subway line. I think if they ever start using 5 or 6-car trains then they would not be able to call it "LRT" anymore.
     
     
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Yeah I think we need those little gate arrows for all of our skytrain fare gates as well in Vancouver. The amount of people I have seen that walked into the wrong fare gate after tapping their card is more than I expected.
I never caught on to that aspect of the arrows. I just always assume tap right. Good thing to have I then!

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...eastbound

sidewalk-LRT/LRT-eastbound-bike/bike-sidewalk

That's good. As long as the LRT has its own lanes, I don't anticipate too many problems. I assume left turns for passenger vehicles will be prohibited.

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Hmm... fare gates, not an honour fare system. So it's basically a subway line. I think if they ever start using 5 or 6-car trains then they would not be able to call it "LRT" anymore.
Initial train sets will be 98 meters and plans call for 120 meters when ridership warrants. If they eventually extend all platforms to 120 meters (as opposed to 120 meters for underground and 100 meters for surface), they could extend the trains further. The line could easily reach 28,000 phpd (with 1.5 minute frequencies) and maybe more if we ever remove the driver cabs (system is automated but OC Transpo decided on manning the trains as an extra safety precaution, which results in 4 cabs per train).
     
     
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'That's good. As long as the LRT has its own lanes, I don't anticipate too many problems. I assume left turns for passenger vehicles will be prohibited.'

Nope.
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BC government announces $1.47-billion SkyTrain upgrade with 200 new cars

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Provincial and federal government funding for the acquisition of 200 new and additional replacement cars for SkyTrain’s Expo Line and Millennium Line, and associated train infrastructure upgrades to handle the new fleet, was formalized today.

In a release, the provincial government says this next round of SkyTrain car orders and upgrades will cost $1.47 billion. This is also the largest and most expensive order of new cars in TransLink’s history.

No manufacturer has been identified, as this will be determined by a forthcoming procurement process led by the public transit authority beginning later this year.

This is not to be confused with the 56 new Mark III cars previously ordered from Bombardier and scheduled for a full delivery by the end of 2019.

The new funding will also go towards a new additional train maintenance and storage yard, upgrades to the existing Edmonds train operations and maintenance centre, and train control and operating systems, including a new operations and control centre for the entire SkyTrain network.

The location of the new additional storage facility has not been identified at this early stage of planning, but a site along the Expo Line’s future Fraser Highway extension has previously been stated as a possibility in early planning documents for that project.

The provincial government is contributing $579 million, the federal government is allocating $493 million, and TransLink is covering the remainder of $398 million. This investment is a part of Phase Two of the Mayors’ Council’s 10-year transit expansion and improvement plan.

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https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/translink-skytrain-car-order-funding-may-2019


It's tremendously gratifying to see this generational investment in transit in Metro Vancouver roll out step by step. After 16 lost years for the region when the provincial government, on one hand, wisely invested in major capital projects (the Canada and Evergreen Lines), while on the other hand, counter-intuitively, took extraordinary steps to stymie the concomitant investment (most of which they originally proposed!) in the less sexy workhorse infrastructure of the system (buses, SeaBuses, SkyTrain stations, etc.) that are required to unlock the full potential of investment in the SkyTrain network, support rapid and dispersed population growth, and shift travel away from single occupant vehicles.

This dark time culminated in the terribly divisive and wasteful transit funding referendum and elevation by the BC Liberal-friendly media of mendacious polemicists like Jason Bateman (may he run out of gas and get a flat) who poisoned the debate and helped set back the region by years. Therefore, as one can hopefully imagine, it's an indescribably welcome change to see cooperation between the Province and region and agreement to ensure that the dollars flow and are being intelligently spent.

The regional impact of this investment and planning is already being felt. In Burnaby, at the Gilmore SkyTrain Station on the Millennium Line, a 37-storey, ~700,000 sqft office tower was just proposed as part of a 4,000 home, 2.7M sqft Gilmore Station redevelopment at that station. I am certain that a project of that magnitude would not be proceeding as-proposed were the SkyTrain Millennium Line's Broadway Extension not approved, funded, and proceeding apace.

Remarkably, as significant as this project is, it's still a drop in the bucket of the development occurring throughout the region at and around SkyTrain stations.

As for complimentary infrastructure, the Burnaby Mountain Gondola project that will connect the Production Way-University Skytrain station with Simon Fraser University atop Burnaby Mountain just moved closer to reality when Burnaby City Council unanimously approved the project (subject to Translink funding in Phase 3 of the Mayors Council Transit Plan).
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It's tremendously gratifying to see this generational investment in transit in Metro Vancouver roll out step by step. After a dark decade for the region when the provincial government took extraordinary steps to stymie investment (that it originally proposed!), culminating in the divisive transit funding referendum, it's a very welcome change to see the dollars flowing and being intelligently spent.

The regional impact of this investment and planning is already being felt. In Burnaby, at the Gilmore SkyTrain Station on the Millennium Line, a 37-storey, ~700,000 sqft office tower was just proposed as part of a 4,000 home, 2.7M sqft Gilmore Station redevelopment at that station.

Remarkably, as significant as this project is, it's still a drop in the bucket of the development occurring throughout the region at and around SkyTrain stations.

As for complimentary infrastructure, the Burnaby Mountain Gondola project that will connect the Production Way-University Skytrain station with Simon Fraser University atop Burnaby Mountain just moved closer to reality when Burnaby City Council approved the project (subject to Translink funding in Phase 3 of the Mayors Council Transit Plan).
When was that dark decade? It seems like Vancouver is the only city that has been continuously been expanding it's network over the last 35 years, with Calgary coming in second.

In any case, it's great to see the evolution of the Skytrain system. Translink seems to currently be the transit agency that's investing the most in upgrading its current transit system.

Glad to see that transit infrastructure has gained steam throughout Canada over the last 5 years and should continue for at least the next 5-10 years.
     
     
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I agree with you J.OT, but when we are so used to being in high gear, it feels "dark" when things are only making slow progress. Calgary is currently in a period where, for the first time in decades, we aren't expanding the Ctrain lines. However, the city is completing major overhauls of 6 (or more?) stations, including University and SAIT Stations (both of the major post-secondary institutions along the Ctrain), among others, on top of the delivery of 64 brand new LRVs worth something like 230 million. The city has dedicated a lot of the funding that I believe would typically go to track expansion into our 4 new BRT lines. It's just sort of a different feel when track length isn't being expanded when one is used to it.

Even with all this great stuff happening, I'm very excited for the Green Line to start construction next year.
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Tremblay Station in Ottawa. It will serve VIA Rail, at centre-right of the image, and across the highway by way of a pedestrian bridge, out of frame to the left, access to the City's 10,332 minor league baseball stadium and the Ottawa Conference and Event Centre hotel complex (not to be confused with Ottawa's main Convention Centre, the Shaw Centre, in the downtown core).


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When was that dark decade? It seems like Vancouver is the only city that has been continuously been expanding it's network over the last 35 years, with Calgary coming in second.
Probably the period circled in red... Where TransLink was forced by the province to do a referendum and portrayed by media as money-wasting inefficiency agency, and then service were cut due to funding shortfall and thus ridership goes down with it:

     
     
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