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Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 9:16 PM
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There is already a 900 page txDot proposal for high speed rail from Oklahoma to Mexico with service through central Texas but the line bypasses Austin. The connection to Austin would be at the Airport, along FM 969, and in Manor at a possible intersection with the Green Line.
Interesting. Would the Green line run directly to the downtown stop or would you have to transfer to the Red line?
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 9:56 PM
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Interesting. Would the Green line run directly to the downtown stop or would you have to transfer to the Red line?
Green line would merge with the Red Line in East Austin just east of Plaza Saltillo and share the downtown station with the Red Line.

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Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 10:01 PM
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Which of these proposals is more likely to be built?
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 10:16 PM
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Which of these proposals is more likely to be built?
Impossible to tell. The current study on the green line should come out in a few months so we'll find out how high it is on cap metro's priority list. It would be more likely to get built if the Texas ledge lifts some restrictions it has on Austin that it doesn't have on any other Texas city. It's not easy to get the ledge to do anything that would help Austin though. Here is an article about the 2017 efforts: http://www.mystatesman.com/news/tran...pf758FfNcPj2J/

Both the house and senate bills died in committees. I wish there was a way we could force the ledge to stay in Round Rock while they are in session. Maybe they would be more likely to help. The other option would be to put it to a vote but it would have to be a part of a bigger rail vote because I don't think it'll get popular support since it only serves east austin.
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2018, 2:07 AM
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While I would strongly desire to see any Austin HSR station in downtown, I have a hard time seeing how it would ever get the needed support (even though it, by far, makes the most sense). If not downtown, I could live with a station by the airport...and it might actually help to gain support for more connectivity to and from the airport/HSR station. Freeover, in your explanation above about a possible Green Line connection in Manor(ish), would that be in addition to a station by the airport? I'm confused by that given that those sites would be so close together. Just wanting to clarify.

Shanghai has an HSR station and and airport fully connected (Hongqiao). Look it up on Google Earth. It's pretty cool to see. Of course, comparing anything in the U.S. to Shanghai is apples to oranges. It's their smaller airport, Pudong being the main one for especially long-haul flights. I've flown out of both several times and have used the HSR station there multiple times as well. They have metro connections to the city, and technically you could take it from one airport to the other as well though it would take over an hour, I'm sure. They do have a direct charter bus service departing every 20 minutes or so between the two airports as well that only costs about 30 kuai (or at least that's what it was years back).
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2018, 3:33 AM
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Freeover, in your explanation above about a possible Green Line connection in Manor(ish), would that be in addition to a station by the airport? I'm confused by that given that those sites would be so close together. Just wanting to clarify.
There are 3 proposed CapMetro lines that would join the existing red line and share the downtown station.
1) The Green Line which would intersect with the proposed Oklahoma-Texas-Mexico high speed rail in Manor. This is is the current round of study.

2) The Airport Line which would intersect with the proposed Oklahoma-Texas-Mexico high speed rail at the airport. This is not in the current round of study.

3) The Mokan Line which would run to east Pflugerville, Round Rock and Georgetown and would not intersect with the proposed Oklahoma-Texas-Mexico high speed rail. This is not in the current round of study.



If all of these plans were built, you could take a cap metro train from downtown to the airport to get to the proposed high speed regional line via the Airport Line or to Manor via the Green Line.
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2018, 3:45 AM
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There are 3 proposed CapMetro lines that would join the existing red line and share the downtown station.
1) The Green Line which would intersect with the proposed Oklahoma-Texas-Mexico high speed rail in Manor. This is is the current round of study.

2) The Airport Line which would intersect with the proposed Oklahoma-Texas-Mexico high speed rail at the airport. This is not in the current round of study.

3) The Mokan Line which would run to east Pflugerville, Round Rock and Georgetown and would not intersect with the proposed Oklahoma-Texas-Mexico high speed rail. This is not in the current round of study.



If all of these plans were built, you could take a cap metro train from downtown to the airport to get to the proposed high speed regional line via the Airport Line or to Manor via the Green Line.
This HSR is different than the one that's Dallas-Houston. Why is there that proposal and the OK, TX, Mex one?
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2018, 3:47 AM
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This HSR is different than the one that's Dallas-Houston. Why is there that proposal and the OK, TX, Mex one?
Because one goes to Houston and one doesn't.
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Because one goes to Houston and one doesn't.
Now I'm confused. I thought the Houston-Dallas HSR was privately funded. The txDot proposal is completely different. Right?
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2018, 4:11 AM
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Now I'm confused. I thought the Houston-Dallas HSR was privately funded. The txDot proposal is completely different. Right?
Completely different but they are both Txdot proposals. There is no funding mechanism identified for the Line that goes through austin.
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2018, 4:33 AM
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Completely different but they are both Txdot proposals. There is no funding mechanism identified for the Line that goes through austin.
Doesn't the bullet train from D-H call for all new tracks when this one is using an existing mainline for travel? I believe the one going from OK-Mex is only HSR in the sense that Amtrak is, but the other proposal is truly a bullet train. Is there a chance we could see a bullet train, a commuter train, and a regional train all collide somewhere in East Austin?
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2018, 5:01 AM
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Doesn't the bullet train from D-H call for all new tracks when this one is using an existing mainline for travel? I believe the one going from OK-Mex is only HSR in the sense that Amtrak is, but the other proposal is truly a bullet train. Is there a chance we could see a bullet train, a commuter train, and a regional train all collide somewhere in East Austin?
This proposal does not call for using all existing track. There is no track in the area it's proposing crossing by Austin. The proposal could include sections of track where the train would go up to 250 mph. It comes down to financing.

I don't know what you mean by a "commuter" vs "regional" train. All of the cap metro lines would use trains exactly like the existing Red Line. Txdot's line could be en electric 250mph train if they can pay for it. If they can, you would have a 250mph electric train intersect with Cap Metro's commuter trains in Manor (Green Line) and at the Airport (Airport Line). Both the Airport and Green Lines would connect to the current Red Line and Mokan Line in Downtown.


Here is info on the 3 different speed options for the Oklahoma/Texas/Mexico line:
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2.3.1.1 Conventional Rail Service
Conventional rail service typically includes diesel-powered, steel-wheeled trains operating on steel tracks. Roadway crossings may be grade separated depending on the type of roadway and amount of traffic, and rail rights-of-way may or may not be fenced. Conventional rail service in Oklahoma and Texas are shared-use corridors, meaning that the passenger rail service operates on a freight rail line owned by a “host” railroad, such as BNSF or UPRR. Amenities on conventional rail trains may include dining cars, sleeping cars, and other services, such as wireless internet. The Amtrak Texas Eagle is an example of conventional rail.
Conventional rail would typically be operated at speeds of 79 to 90 mph and would mostly use existing railroad rights-of-way. For conventional rail, existing railroad track may be used, or in some cases, modifications such as double-tracking (adding a track parallel to an existing track or adding a siding to pull trains to the side for passing trains) could be constructed within the existing right-of-way to accommodate additional trains.
In general, stops for conventional rail service would
typically be between 15 and 60 miles apart, and on
average three to six trains per day would run in each direction, with a maximum of 12 trains per day.
2.3.1.2 Higher-Speed Rail Service
Higher-speed rail is similar to conventional rail in
several respects. In many cases, higher-speed rail trains
can run on the same steel tracks that support
conventional rail service, but higher speeds can require
improvements such as upgrading wooden ties to
concrete ties and grade-separating roadway crossings.
Higher-speed service can use diesel-powered, steel-
wheeled trains operating on steel tracks that are shared
with freight trains, or it can operate on dedicated
passenger tracks or be an electrified rail system
powered by overhead catenary lines. For the purposes
of this EIS, higher-speed trains are assumed to be diesel-powered. Amenities offered on higher- speed rail trains are similar to conventional rail. The British First Great Western, operating in southern England, is an example of higher-speed rail.
Higher-speed rail would be operated at speeds up to 110 to 125 mph. Where proposed within an existing railroad right-of-way, a shared right-of-way with separate tracks for freight and passenger services would be constructed. Because of its maximum speed and because train frequency would be similar to conventional rail, higher-speed rail could operate on a single track with passing locations and would not require double-tracking. Where higher-speed rail is proposed outside an existing transportation corridor, the new alignment would be designed with curves and other features that could accommodate high-speed rail service if warranted by ridership and economically feasible in the future. For the purposes of this EIS, unlike high-speed rail, the design would not include electrification and would include a mixture of single and double track, and some at-grade crossings would remain. In some short segments in dense urban areas, existing track shared with freight may be used by new passenger rail operated at reduced speeds. Newly constructed track would be dedicated exclusively to passenger rail service.
In general, stops for higher-speed rail service would typically be between 30 and 90 miles apart, and on average four to eight trains per day would run in each direction, with a maximum of 12 trains per day.
2.3.1.3 High-Speed Rail Service
High-speed rail service includes electric trains powered by an overhead power supply system. Train sets are steel wheel on steel rail, but are designed to operate at high speeds with an aerodynamic shape and specialized suspension and braking systems. The Shinkansen in Japan, the TGV in France and the Chinese High-Speed Rail are examples of high-speed rail service. The Dallas to Houston High-Speed Rail Project proposed by Texas Central High-Speed Railway, LLC and the California High- Speed Rail Program are other examples of high-speed rail service. High-speed rail would be operated at speeds up to 220 to 250 mph. The entire right-of-way would be enclosed and fully grade-separated. The alignment would be electrified and double-tracked and would be dedicated entirely to passenger rail service. Freight trains and other non-high-speed rail systems would be prohibited from using the high-speed rail tracks. This service type could only reach its maximum speeds of 220 to 250 mph outside existing transportation corridors because existing railroad alignments are not compatible with the speeds required and they do not have the required room for separation of freight and high-speed rail. In areas where this service type is within existing transportation corridors or within constrained right-of-way that may impede the design, it would operate at lower speeds.
In general, stops for high-speed rail service would typically be between 50 and 100 miles apart, and on average 12 to 24 trains per day would run in each direction.
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2018, 5:07 AM
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I don't know what you mean by a "commuter" vs "regional" train. All of the cap metro lines would use trains exactly like the existing Red Line. Txdot's line could be en electric 250mph train if they can pay for it.
I'd consider the Red Line a commuter train and any Amtrak like service a regional rail.
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I want to give a shout out to Kevin and jdawgboy for giving me a mini tour of downtown today. We started out at the library which by the way is pretty cool with great views especially from the outdoor part on the top floor. The interior is pretty elaborate and yes, the stairs, all of them do squeak. There were quite a few people using it on an early Wednesday afternoon so I would have to say its a success. We walked around a bit and ate at Jo's Burgers, excellent lunch, great burgers and best fries I ever had. The last time I was dt, the Independent had just broke ground. I have to say that section is definitely my favorite. Quite amazing what's going on. Kevin and jdawgboy were great. I'm looking forward to an actual forum meet and meeting some more of you. As I told Kevin and jdawgboy, the pictures posted here are great, but there's nothing better than walking around dt to get an appreciation and scope of what's happening. Its BUSTLING!! Thanks for taking time with me today guys, It was fun!
Oh and btw, they drove me by 801 Barton Springs so I could see it in person. I have to admit, having only seen it in pictures, I thought maybe I was a little too harsh on my opinion of it. NOPE!! I hate it even more now that I've seen it close up and personal. It may be one of the ugliest things in Austin. But then again, there are those turd sculptures by the substation we walked by.

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Yeah, I had fun today. I hadn't visited the library yet either, so that was cool to see. The weather today was absolutely perfect also.
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I want to give a shout out to Kevin and jdawgboy for giving me a mini tour of downtown today. We started out at the library which by the way is pretty cool with great views especially from the outdoor part on the top floor. The interior is pretty elaborate and yes, the stairs, all of them do squeak. There were quite a few people using it on an early Wednesday afternoon so I would have to say its a success. We walked around a bit and ate at Jo's Burgers, excellent lunch, great burgers and best fries I ever had. The last time I was dt, the Independent had just broke ground. I have to say that section is definitely my favorite. Quite amazing what's going on. Kevin and jdawgboy were great. I'm looking forward to an actual forum meet and meeting some more of you. As I told Kevin and jdawgboy, the pictures posted here are great, but there's nothing better than walking around dt to get an appreciation and scope of what's happening. Its BUSTLING!! Thanks for taking time with me today guys, It was fun!
Oh and btw, they drove me by 801 Barton Springs so I could see it in person. I have to admit, having only seen it in pictures, I thought maybe I was a little too harsh on my opinion of it. NOPE!! I hate it even more now that I've seen it close up and personal. It may be one of the ugliest things in Austin. But then again, there are those turd sculptures by the substation we walked by.
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Old Posted Feb 1, 2018, 6:57 PM
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I'd consider the Red Line a commuter train and any Amtrak like service a regional rail.
I think Amtrak would be the operator on the new rail line but I'm not sure. You can probably find the answer in the report: https://cdxnodengn.epa.gov/cdx-enepa...hmentId=241041

My guess is the current Amtrak through the mopac rail line would go away and be replaced by this service which means people would have to commute via bus or future rail to it.
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Ellsworth Kelly’s Final Work Is A Beautiful, Light-Filled Sanctuary Called ‘Austin’

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A new building opens to the public this weekend on the University of Texas at Austin campus. It doesn’t have desks, books, or basketball hoops inside. In fact, it’s empty except for a couple of benches placed there for admiring the art on the walls, on the windows – and, well, the building itself is a piece of art. It’s not very big but its igloo-like structure and tall ceilings give it the echo of a large sanctuary.

“The beauty to me about the light is that all three windows have equal brightness and the colors all look really jewel-like,” says Simone Jamille Wicha, the director of the Blanton Museum of Art.

It’s also very church-like inside, with a tall wooden totem on one side and colorful windows letting in light on the three others.

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Ellsworth Kelly died at the age of 92, while the project was still underway.

“I don’t know if one thing relates to the other, but we had just finished going through all the design with him, completely,” Wicha says. “Because I realized, we all realized, that we were working with limited time.”

Wicha says that Austin now has one of the great masterpieces in the world, making the city a true destination for visual arts.


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This is getting lots and lots of press including a pretty nice spread in the New York Times. The location puts it at one end of the "Art/Museum District." Now let's hope other museums move to the North Congress Ave. If I had a wish list I'd move the Texas Memorial Museum, The HRC (Harry Ransom Center or Humanities Research Center) even a museum associated with the Briscoe Center for American History. A rumored Texas music museum would be nice, too.
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Ha, I had run across a photo of the interior a few days ago showing those windows and how they cast rays of sunlight around the room.

A quick Google search shows some more. It is a really neat building.

https://www.google.com/search?safe=o....0.E8RnsC8By6M
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