NEW YORK | World Trade Center Memorial & Transit Hub

[xnyr]

Sometime ago, (post 974) when I asked about these three tubes



Several users reported that they would support the #1 subway line.

Now that they've been built out more:



It seems odd that the ends (at least the left side) parallels the girders above (blue arrows).

I'm still confused... Will this beast be removed from this staging area and moved under the #1 line... or is it something else?

[pnapp1]

Originally Posted by Pbellamy

Pretty big day as the crane finally comes down:

I don't think it is. It looks like they are extending the boom.

[JACKinBeantown]

That makes sense. I was wondering why they'd take it down with so much left to do.

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

the memorial will now be so more meaningful now that the murder of these people has finally been killed.

[Alliance]

No. It wont. This memorial is for the victims and their families, none of whose lives were rectified or corrected tonight. None of their meaning to friends, families, or this country was missing before tonight. After the victims, the memorial is for the nation and the world to remember them. It was never built for a terrorist. Don't trivialize peoples lives and memories with stupid discussions of bravado.

[brantw]

Originally Posted by Alliance

No. It wont. This memorial is for the victims and their families, none of whose lives were rectified or corrected tonight. None of their meaning to friends, families, or this country was missing before tonight. After the victims, the memorial is for the nation and the world to remember them. It was never built for a terrorist. Don't trivialize peoples lives and memories with stupid discussions of bravado.

That's just your opinion, Alliance. Most people would disagree with you. You have been negative regarding everything associated with the tower/center, so it's no surprise you are being negative now. The majority of Americans will find the memorial more meaningful now that OBL has been killed, and that's the truth.

[Alliance]

No, thats just your opinion. Your knowledge of my thoughts on World Trade Center is also incorrect. My personal feelings have nothing to do with the rows of plaques hanging on firehouse walls, nothing to do with empty chairs or broken hearts. I walk by memorials to the victims every day and to those who they stand for, they have always had an immutable meaning. BinLaden's death may help bring closure, but it doesn't bring meaning to the victims or their families and friends. That meaning has been there every second of every day since 9-11, to the real people who matter in this discussion, in a way I, and likely you as well, can never understand.

[brantw]

Originally Posted by Alliance

No, thats just your opinion. Your knowledge of my thoughts on World Trade Center is also incorrect. My personal feelings have nothing to do with the rows of plaques hanging on firehouse walls, nothing to do with empty chairs or broken hearts. I walk by memorials to the victims every day and to those who they stand for, they have always had an immutable meaning. BinLaden's death may help bring closure, but it doesn't bring meaning to the victims or their families and friends. That meaning has been there every second of every day since 9-11, to the real people who matter in this discussion, in a way I, and likely you as well, can never understand.

If you don't understand it, like you admit, then how can you conclude it won't be more meaningful for the victim's families? The truth is, you have no idea, and you are only guessing.

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

Originally Posted by Alliance

No, thats just your opinion. Your knowledge of my thoughts on World Trade Center is also incorrect. My personal feelings have nothing to do with the rows of plaques hanging on firehouse walls, nothing to do with empty chairs or broken hearts. I walk by memorials to the victims every day and to those who they stand for, they have always had an immutable meaning. BinLaden's death may help bring closure, but it doesn't bring meaning to the victims or their families and friends. That meaning has been there every second of every day since 9-11, to the real people who matter in this discussion, in a way I, and likely you as well, can never understand.

i wouldnt be telling someone who lost friends at the WTC. ya theres a personal connection with the site that only those who grieved can feel but on a national level closure and pride have boiled up to the surface. like they say "some gave all and all gave some". the Justice that has been brought to Bin Laden and the revitalization of the site combined will make the wounds of 9/11 heal all the quicker for us.

[Don098]

Originally Posted by Alliance

No, thats just your opinion.

No, I think that perception is pretty well shared among most of the us that frequent the NY threads.

[Obey]

Originally Posted by SkyscrapersOfNewYork

i wouldnt be telling someone who lost friends at the WTC. ya theres a personal connection with the site that only those who grieved can feel but on a national level closure and pride have boiled up to the surface. like they say "some gave all and all gave some". the Justice that has been brought to Bin Laden and the revitalization of the site combined will make the 9/11 nightmare end all the quicker for us.

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about.

I think I'm with Alliance on this one.

[patriotizzy]

Originally Posted by Alliance

No, thats just your opinion. Your knowledge of my thoughts on World Trade Center is also incorrect. My personal feelings have nothing to do with the rows of plaques hanging on firehouse walls, nothing to do with empty chairs or broken hearts. I walk by memorials to the victims every day and to those who they stand for, they have always had an immutable meaning. BinLaden's death may help bring closure, but it doesn't bring meaning to the victims or their families and friends. That meaning has been there every second of every day since 9-11, to the real people who matter in this discussion, in a way I, and likely you as well, can never understand.

I feel the same way.

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

Originally Posted by Obey

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about.

I think I'm with Alliance on this one.

Thats fine each to his own, though please dont tell me that i dont know what im talking about. its an opinion thats just the way i feel. thanks.

[Obey]

Originally Posted by SkyscrapersOfNewYork

Thats fine each to his own, though please dont tell me that i dont know what im talking about. its an opinion thats just the way i feel. thanks.

Lol, not much of an opinion. I couldn't make out half of what you were saying.

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

Originally Posted by Obey

Lol, not much of an opinion. I couldn't make out half of what you were saying.

-sigh- cut and dry.....lets try this again.....even though the pain felt by the victims families can never truly understood by the average person walking through the memorial. even though the memorial will mean much more to them, as a people Americans can lift their heads up high and feel proud that America killed Bin Laden and also rebuilt the WTC. and that is something that will make the site all the more meaningful to all people. A job well done and completed to the fullest. Get it now?

[JACKinBeantown]

Sorry if this has been asked, but why is there a tent over the joining of the spine over the transit area.

[uakoops]

They do the welding under a tent, maybe to protect everyone else's eyes, or so they can work in the rain.

[banned]

Delete Please.

[JACKinBeantown]

Originally Posted by uakoops

They do the welding under a tent, maybe to protect everyone else's eyes, or so they can work in the rain.

Ah... makes perfect sense. Thanks.

[C.Lan]

Not to overshadow all of the very important work that's been done on this site, but there was this interesting article about the search for bin Laden.

The cost of bin Laden: $3 trillion over 15 years

By National Journal
Fri May 6, 8:12 am ET

By Tim Fernholz and Jim Tankersley
National Journal
The most expensive public enemy in American history died Sunday from two bullets.
As we mark Osama bin Laden's death, what's striking is how much he cost our nation—and how little we've gained from our fight against him. By conservative estimates, bin Laden cost the United States at least $3 trillion over the past 15 years, counting the disruptions he wrought on the domestic economy, the wars and heightened security triggered by the terrorist attacks he engineered, and the direct efforts to hunt him down.
What do we have to show for that tab? Two wars that continue to occupy 150,000 troops and tie up a quarter of our defense budget; a bloated homeland-security apparatus that has at times pushed the bounds of civil liberty; soaring oil prices partially attributable to the global war on bin Laden's terrorist network; and a chunk of our mounting national debt, which threatens to hobble the economy unless lawmakers compromise on an unprecedented deficit-reduction deal.
All of that has not given us, at least not yet, anything close to the social or economic advancements produced by the battles against America's costliest past enemies. Defeating the Confederate army brought the end of slavery and a wave of standardization—in railroad gauges and shoe sizes, for example—that paved the way for a truly national economy. Vanquishing Adolf Hitler ended the Great Depression and ushered in a period of booming prosperity and hegemony. Even the massive military escalation that marked the Cold War standoff against Joseph Stalin and his Russian successors produced landmark technological breakthroughs that revolutionized the economy.
Perhaps the biggest economic silver lining from our bin Laden spending, if there is one, is the accelerated development of unmanned aircraft. That's our $3 trillion windfall, so far: Predator drones. "We have spent a huge amount of money which has not had much effect on the strengthening of our military, and has had a very weak impact on our economy," says Linda Bilmes, a lecturer at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government who coauthored a book on the costs of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars with Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.

The full story is a bit long. You can read the full link here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclus...15-years/print