ATLANTA | Development Thread V - Page 617

testarossa50 · #**12321** Posted **Dec 11, 2014, 7:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by RATBOYKEV

So when folks talk about wanting to expand Light-Rail, Heavy-Rail, Beltline Transit, New streetcars, etc there are no capitol funds but also no identified operating funds as well? That sure puts a damper on any of my hopes of in-town transit expansion...

Yep, that's basically the situation: there isn't money to do much of anything with the current revenue streams.

Tuckerman · #**12322** Posted **Dec 11, 2014, 8:38 PM**

The reality is that we will not have an urban transit network in Atlanta until the republicans are not the dominate political force in this state. We currently have a very conservative legislature with a strong anti city bias and a strong bias to support roads rather than public transportation. It may change in the future, but not in the near future.

shivtim · #**12323** Posted **Dec 11, 2014, 10:07 PM**

^testarossa and Tuckerman, That's not the full story. There are indeed streams of money for transit expansion. Most obvious is MARTA - the recession was a huge blow to their funding source (1% sales tax), but they are now turning a profit. They were able to expand heavy rail multiple times over the last few decades, and recently added an express bus route with traffic signal priority and queue jumping lanes. With Clayton County joining MARTA next year, there will be an additional source of revenue, with specific plans to build rail within ten years.

Then there's the Beltline. They have a Tax Allocation District (TAD) set up that will raise a lot of money for transit. There are currently thousands of apartments and a huge amount of business and office space under construction within the TAD, which will bring in a lot of revenue for transit.

In addition, any transit projects can and will leverage federal funding. The Streetcar is a great example. It didn't get any funding from MARTA, the Beltline, or the State of Georgia. It was mostly Federal and then some city, Central Atlanta Progress, etc. MARTA can leverage funds like this in the future, in fact it's assumed that for any major rail transit project in the US some of the funds will come from USDOT.

Of course it would help if the state actually supported transit and if congress was more supportive of transit, but there still are plenty of ways to get things done.

Nanosolar · #**12324** Posted **Dec 11, 2014, 11:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by micropundit

Plans for Historic Mims Park — a 16-acre space that would consume vacant lots in blighted areas not far from the Georgia Dome and complete the dream of bringing a Civil Rights-inspired green space to the Vine City and English Avenue neighborhoods - are alive and well with officials hoping the park will have "something" to offer by late 2015. Rodney Mims Cook, the leader of the National Monuments Foundation and the father of the idea, told Curbed Atlanta this week the process has been delayed by a lengthier-than-anticipated soil study for the city-owned land along Joseph E. Boone Boulevard but said he expects "something to be completed" in the park by the time the Nobel Peace Laureates Summit comes to Atlanta in November 2015. He also shed a little light on a new aspect to be featured in Historic Mims Park. The park is now planning for an increased presence of Proctor Creek, a small body of water on the premises — developers will essentially create extra basins to catch stormwater and build a creek that way.

http://atlanta.curbed.com/archives/2014/...k-it-could-start-happening-soon.php#more

ATLcubs · #**12325** Posted **Dec 12, 2014, 12:54 AM**

You can see Cyan, Skyhouse, and Post Alexander in this timelapse.

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/real_...eo-watch-the-cyan-on-peachtree-high.html

arjay57 · #**12326** Posted **Dec 12, 2014, 1:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by ATLcubs

You can see Cyan, Skyhouse, and Post Alexander in this timelapse.

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/real_...eo-watch-the-cyan-on-peachtree-high.html

Wow. That is 1,000 new residences coming online at once.

What is the average number of occupants per unit of apartments in that category these days? Are they mostly singles?

thepope117 · #**12327** Posted **Dec 12, 2014, 1:28 AM**

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Originally Posted by arjay57

Wow. That is 1,000 new residences coming online at once.

What is the average number of occupants per unit of apartments in that category these days? Are they mostly singles?

1.25 to 1.5

A-town · #**12328** Posted **Dec 12, 2014, 1:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by tdawg

There is a fantastic link from the AJC website today focusing on how Atlanta is urbanizing at such a rapid pace. I'm really surprised by the Woodstock photos. I had no idea how charming and New Urbanist it is:
http://wdanielanderson.wordpress.com/201...urban-even-suburbs-becoming-newly-urban/

That Serenbe development is very interesting. I'm surprised I've never heard of it til now. We need more developments like this built closer to the city center.

GeorgiaPeanuts · #**12329** Posted **Dec 12, 2014, 3:53 AM**

Eh, Serenbe seems kinda "fake" to me. It reminds me of like a southern styled Truman Show backlot. All the pictures there aren't much people and looks like a ghost town; and when there are people there isn't much diversity. Mostly rich white folks; real estate listings look to start at about $400,000; not sure how a farmer or blacksmiths/glassblowers will afford such prices.

atlantaguy · #**12330** Posted **Dec 12, 2014, 8:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

Eh, Serenbe seems kinda "fake" to me. It reminds me of like a southern styled Truman Show backlot. All the pictures there aren't much people and looks like a ghost town; and when there are people there isn't much diversity. Mostly rich white folks; real estate listings look to start at about $400,000; not sure how a farmer or blacksmiths/glassblowers will afford such prices.

Wow. What an absolutely ignorant assessment from someone who's obviously never been there.

And you are wrong on all counts, with the exception of pricing.

bigstick · #**12331** Posted **Dec 12, 2014, 1:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by ATLcubs

You can see Cyan, Skyhouse, and Post Alexander in this timelapse.

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/real_...eo-watch-the-cyan-on-peachtree-high.html

Excellent video...Thanks

GeorgiaPeanuts · #**12332** Posted **Dec 12, 2014, 4:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by atlantaguy

Wow. What an absolutely ignorant assessment from someone who's obviously never been there.

And you are wrong on all counts, with the exception of pricing.

Maybe they should update their website; That is the image it painted for me. Part of the character of a place is that everything isn't a perfect little bubble.

But if I am wrong, where are all the non-rich people living? Like the Serenbe Farms restaurant, do they pay the waiters much higher wage so that they can live within Serenbe? How can it really be sustainable if the low wage workers must commute from outside of Serenbe. And why don't they even bother to throw in a token black, or Indian, or any other race on their website photos.

It seems just as fake to me as Truman Show or Ave Maria, Florida.

And to get back on track here are some new renders of the Barves stadium, Guess the death knell struck the water feature

(four 0 four) · #**12333** Posted **Dec 12, 2014, 5:07 PM**

Buried deep in an ABC.com article on Buckhead was this bit of news:

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Also this month, Loudermilk said the company settled a lawsuit it had filed Oct. 17 against Rohrig Investments L.P. and its owner George Rohrig, a former business partner. The complaint arose when the sale of a one-acre parking lot next to the Buckhead Theatre to Houston developer The Hanover Co. stalled due to a parking dispute between Loudermik and Rohrig.

Loudermilk said a settlement was reached with Rohrig in early December that divided about a dozen sites worth roughly $25 million in Buckhead, Midtown, Decatur and College Park.

Now, a sale can proceed, Loudermilk said. Hanover still has the site under contract. The developer just did another deal with Loudermilk, paying $15 million for the nearly 4-acre Parkside at Buckhead apartments along Buckhead Avenue and Pharr Road. Hanover plans to build a 375-unit apartment project there.

That means this project next to the theatre (on Roswell Road near the split with Peachtree) can move forward:

Photo courtesy of Buckhead View

(four 0 four) · #**12334** Posted **Dec 12, 2014, 5:16 PM**

Buckhead View and Curbed Atlanta posted an article about a new Gables Residential proposal for Buckhead:

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A newly announced Gables Residential mixed-use development—with 327 residential units and 3,000 square feet of commercial space—is another in a growing list of development projects that likely will transform East Paces Ferry Road from Peachtree to Piedmont in the next year or two.

The project, on the northeast corner of East Paces Ferry Road and Maple Drive, will include 327 apartments in a high-rise building, along with townhome units along East Paces Ferry and a detached commercial space of 3,000 square feet along Maple Drive.

Photo from Curbed Atlanta

Interesting article/update in Curbed...
http://atlanta.curbed.com/archives/2014/...rtments-for-bustling-buckhead-1.php#more

NickH · #**12335** Posted **Dec 12, 2014, 5:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by testarossa50

Yep, that's basically the situation: there isn't money to do much of anything with the current revenue streams.

Leave your political incorrectness to another forum, please and thank you.

testarossa50 · #**12336** Posted **Dec 12, 2014, 5:25 PM**

An amazing amount of stuff going up right at Buckhead Village. I just wish the area weren't so horrifically unwalkable. To legally cross from the west side of Roswell Road to Loudermilk Park, for instance, right in front of the proposed tower, you either need to walk a quarter mile to the north, or else go to West Paces and cross Peachtree twice. Of course, most people just play frogger instead.

But if Buckhead wants to make this extensive growth (3 recently completed towers and 3 new proposed ones in a 2 block radius, by my count, plus a bunch of midrise stuff) function as more than a high-rise-lined traffic bottleneck and instead be a cohesive district, walkability needs to be improved big time. It's miles behind Midtown.

scania · #**12337** Posted **Dec 12, 2014, 5:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by testarossa50

An amazing amount of stuff going up right at Buckhead Village. I just wish the area weren't so horrifically unwalkable. To legally cross from the west side of Roswell Road to Loudermilk Park, for instance, right in front of the proposed tower, you either need to walk a quarter mile to the north, or else go to West Paces and cross Peachtree twice. Of course, most people just play frogger instead.

But if Buckhead wants to make this extensive growth (3 recently completed towers and 3 new proposed ones in a 2 block radius, by my count, plus a bunch of midrise stuff) function as more than a high-rise-lined traffic bottleneck and instead be a cohesive district, walkability needs to be improved big time. It's miles behind Midtown.

If I only listened to people like you, I would think that LA just couldn't exist! FYI, no matter what some of you think the world of urbanity needs...LA is not by any means miles behind Atlanta.

GeorgiaPeanuts · #**12338** Posted **Dec 12, 2014, 6:45 PM**

Picture from Fuqua for Northside+17th, doesn't show much

Verge · #**12339** Posted **Dec 12, 2014, 6:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

Picture from Fuqua for Northside+17th, doesn't show much

Shows enough-- as expected, bad shopping center architecture--

testarossa50 · #**12340** Posted **Dec 12, 2014, 7:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by scania

If I only listened to people like you, I would think that LA just couldn't exist! FYI, no matter what some of you think the world of urbanity needs...LA is not by any means miles behind Atlanta.

Strange post. For the record, I consider LA more urban than Atlanta.