Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[Reeder113]

Some very cool pics of the Hyatt Regency posted on reddit:





https://www.reddit.com/r/Development...s_cool_how_it/

[Marvland]

Originally Posted by Utah_Dave

Thanks for the perspective Marvland. The obstacles and barriers to liquor licenses and zoning really need to be revisited sooner then later. I always enjoy hearing from those involved in the community like you fellas. Can we get Hatman on this one also?

LOVE ME SOME HATMAN. Huge supporter of his vision. Would be really great to get around a table some day.

[Atlas]

Rice-Eccles is sure looking nice with that new endzone! Go Utes!


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[Comrade]

I wish liquor laws could enforced at the city level. I just love how Utah conservatives like to talk about small government and how important local control of decision making is ... and yet they absolutely do not employ it at the state level here in Utah. We have arguably one of the most authoritative state governments in the country.

[bflatflat9]

Originally Posted by Comrade

I wish liquor laws could enforced at the city level. I just love how Utah conservatives like to talk about small government and how important local control of decision making is ... and yet they absolutely do not employ it at the state level here in Utah. We have arguably one of the most authoritative state governments in the country.

It's not even arguable.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by bflatflat9

It's not even arguable.

I have to say that because I'm sure someone here will argue it.

[i-215]

Originally Posted by bflatflat9

It's not even arguable.

Well...

One could argue that all local power derives from the Tenth Amendment of the U.S. constitution which grants powers to the states. From there, state code delegates decisions to local cities.

But then again, I live in a state where you can buy hard liquor at the grocery store— and funny enough, it's not a drunken chaos. How 'bout that?

[Reeder113]

Someone on Reddit posted a video of Liberty Sky lit up. Here's a screenshot of it:



....and the link to the video:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Development...ty_sky_lit_up/

[TMoneySLC]

Originally Posted by i-215

Well...

One could argue that all local power derives from the Tenth Amendment of the U.S. constitution which grants powers to the states. From there, state code delegates decisions to local cities.

But then again, I live in a state where you can buy hard liquor at the grocery store— and funny enough, it's not a drunken chaos. How 'bout that?

In the political parlance we say that county/local governments are “creatures of the state.” That is, that the constitution does not mention governments on this level at all and they only exist because individual states allow them to as governance on this level becomes too cumbersome for states to manage. Things like garbage pickup and park maintenance.

[Marvland]

Originally Posted by Comrade

I wish liquor laws could enforced at the city level. I just love how Utah conservatives like to talk about small government and how important local control of decision making is ... and yet they absolutely do not employ it at the state level here in Utah. We have arguably one of the most authoritative state governments in the country.

There is a policy idea that would create two classes of city. Call it "Class 1" and "Class 2" city. Class 1 city can self-declare and have one set of booze rules, Class 2 can elect to have our stupid existing rules. There really is no reason why Salt Lake City should even have the same regs as Manti. Let Manti be Manti. Let cities be cities.

[msbutah]

FWIW, Utah already has a class / tier system of cities. I remember this because Provo wanted the guidelines changed to keep them technically a "class 2 municipality", because moving to class 1 meant they would have to change something they didn't want to (maybe city council size or something?).

[mattreedah]

Originally Posted by Marvland

There is a policy idea that would create two classes of city. Call it "Class 1" and "Class 2" city. Class 1 city can self-declare and have one set of booze rules, Class 2 can elect to have our stupid existing rules. There really is no reason why Salt Lake City should even have the same regs as Manti. Let Manti be Manti. Let cities be cities.

The obvious solution to this very real license logjam crisis is to allow counties to set the number of liquor licenses. Marvland is correct that all areas of the state aren’t alike. But the state MUST set the overall policy given the powers granted it under the constitution and specifically the 21st amendment. It would be so inefficient to have huge differences county to county.

IMO, The legislature could do itself a big favor by fixing the license logjam, opening more stores (which they are doing to their credit), modernizing the tap restrictions and happy hour, and also allow wine in grocery stores. I believe if these reforms don’t happen in the near future (5 years or so) they’ll be a vote on privatization and it will pass.

The liquor issue is somewhat unique to Utah given the religious tradition here. It is true that it’s usually the democrats (liking state monopolies) in other states who have opposed privatization. But I don’t think the conservatives who don’t want to modernize liquor laws are out of whack philosophically. The argument saying conservatives should support privatization is a libertarian position, not a conservative one. Conservatives don’t worship the alter of the market or business interests at all costs. There are other externalities to measure. It is order, not egalitarianism or freedom that is their guiding principle.

[Atlas]

Copper Yards (the Jetty) is no more: Intermountain Healthcare says it has purchased the Sears Block

As part of our ongoing commitment to serve patients with high-quality, affordable, and accessible care, Intermountain Healthcare has acquired property in downtown Salt Lake City for future use to enhance healthcare services available to area residents. Plans are still being developed. Details will be announced at a future date.

I wonder what they're planning. Hopefully it involves no surface parking. EDIT: word on the street is that they're planning on moving LDS Hospital to this location. If true, this could be a massive project and very good for our little Midtown, both in terms of dollars being spent in the area and attracting bio/medtech companies. The D-2 zone actually requires retail/restaurant/cultural establishments in buildings that front State, Main, and 800 S (and 900 S) which are 3/4 of the streets that define this block.

Or it could just be a clinic surrounded by surface parking.

[TMoneySLC]

Originally Posted by Atlas

Copper Yards (the Jetty) is no more: Intermountain Healthcare says it has purchased the Sears Block



I wonder what they're planning. Hopefully it involves no surface parking. EDIT: word on the street is that they're planning on moving LDS Hospital to this location. If true, this could be a massive project and very good for our little Midtown, both in terms of dollars being spent in the area and attracting bio/medtech companies. The D-2 zone actually requires retail/restaurant/cultural establishments in buildings that front State, Main, 800 S, and 900 S, which, coincidentally, are exactly the four streets that define this block.

Or it could just be a clinic surrounded by surface parking.

Good news all around. I was commenting the other day that downtown and the community would be better served if LD and Primary Children's were to move downtown. “...future use to enhance healthcare services." That may mean demonstrating healthcare by building a healthy community development. It's an emerging process I would love to see incorporated into the planning of this block.

[RC14]

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We'll have to see what they have planned. I could see this going good or bad. Do I remember correctly that the previous development was planning on working with the taco stands on the corner of State St so they could stay? I hope that does not change.

[mstar]

This Intermountain Healthcare project potentially could be huge. If they are planning on rebuilding the LDS Hospital and move it downtown - it would like be a very large project. It would also open up a lot prime real estate up in the Avenues. This would like fill the entire block and require some taller medical towers.

[Atlas]

Agreed, the jury is still out on this one. Hoping for the best.

Here's a great shot of SLC I came across on r/SaltLakeCity:


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[rockies]

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[Boz]

Originally Posted by rockies

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[rockies]

Originally Posted by Boz

I had just found out about the entire cottonwood mall supreme court saga and I was speechless to say the least... ppl are crazier in utah than I thought