The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 613

milomilo · #**12241** Posted **Apr 8, 2019, 3:59 PM**

The downtown (and Sunnyside) stations in Calgary have nothing. It sucks given the off peak frequency is also poor. Of course, the suburban stations have proper stations, but according to our transit planners a bus shelter on the road is better than a heated facility.

MalcolmTucker · #**12242** Posted **Apr 8, 2019, 4:53 PM**

Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design can lead to sub-optimal user experience in some areas as a trade off for a better overall user experience. The new BRT shelters in Calgary have enclosed heated waiting areas, but are mostly on pretty active streets helping to provide 'eyes', and have security camera(s).

milomilo · #**12243** Posted **Apr 8, 2019, 5:04 PM**

In all honesty, I don't care about that I just want to be warm while I'm waiting for a train. Most of the time I take transit these days is off peak, so every time I have to wait forever on 7th as the train trundles slowly towards me, I think 'why the hell did I not just get an Uber'.

J.OT13 · #**12244** Posted **Apr 8, 2019, 10:30 PM**

Rideau Station

https://twitter.com/MathieuFleury/status/1114537010302214144

Pimisi Station

https://twitter.com/otrainfans613/status/1113448594483359744

Bayview Station

https://twitter.com/chrisrands/status/1114984421210378245

Reecemartin · #**12245** Posted **Apr 9, 2019, 4:35 PM**

Does anyone know what the scope of Green Line stations in Calgary is?

Seems like the Line has significant grade separation however IIRC some of the stops were more minimal, are they planned to be mess significant than existing stations?

SFUVancouver · #**12246** Posted **Apr 9, 2019, 4:38 PM**

Rideau station is beautiful. Nice job, Ottawa.

MalcolmTucker · #**12247** Posted **Apr 9, 2019, 5:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Does anyone know what the scope of Green Line stations in Calgary is?

Seems like the Line has significant grade separation however IIRC some of the stops were more minimal, are they planned to be mess significant than existing stations?

Walk up stations mostly, but designed to be lengthen-ed to either 125 or 140m iirc. For outer stations, I think only 96th north is more substantial as a future transfer station to the airport line.

J.OT13 · #**12248** Posted **Apr 9, 2019, 5:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Does anyone know what the scope of Green Line stations in Calgary is?

Seems like the Line has significant grade separation however IIRC some of the stops were more minimal, are they planned to be mess significant than existing stations?

To answer your question you had on Twitter regarding the lack of canopy for Line 2 at Bayview, they will be shutting down the line in Spring 2020 for two years as part of Stage 2 extension and "upgrades", so no use in building anything permanent at this point.

Here's what it should look like once Stage 2 Trillium opens in 2022.

https://www.westsideaction.ca/trillium-line-big-plans-bad-rollout/

As for the Calgary Green Line, I remember a similar approach to the Valley Line in Edmonton; simple canopies for surface street stations and full-blown stations for elevated portions. Subway stations were modern, double height versions of Edmonton with centre platform, but they might have switched to stacked like Vancouver's Granville and Burrard. I'm sure other forumers might have more complete answers.

Reecemartin · #**12249** Posted **Apr 10, 2019, 3:42 AM**

Yeah so Doug Ford has announced the Relief Line is being renamed the Ontario Line, an announcement with details is coming tomorrow. It will be a big change and most of us think it will be something like Sydney Metro or REM.

A Subway to Pickering may be announced tomorrow :0

Coldrsx · #**12250** Posted **Apr 10, 2019, 3:55 AM**

Rideau!

Meanwhile in Edmonton...

'City ends contract with Thales, escorts workers from LRT job site'

accord1999 · #**12251** Posted **Apr 10, 2019, 4:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Does anyone know what the scope of Green Line stations in Calgary is?

The following document "Green Line LRT Long Term Vision: 160 Avenue N to Seton" has renderings of what the stations could look like, starting from page 51.

https://pub-calgary.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=13286

Alegan · #**12252** Posted **Apr 10, 2019, 3:37 PM**

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2019/04...lion-transit-announcement-wednesday.html

I like the idea of a longer subway, and of a faster construction schedule, but what about the switch to a light rail system? Also, having it go to Ontario Place, which I like, seems like Ford is scheming something for it that gives me an uneasy feeling. I can't trust Ford as far as I can throw him.

Also, with governments changing all the time it seems like a new plan is always around the corner - will we ever get satisfaction?

J.OT13 · #**12253** Posted **Apr 10, 2019, 4:09 PM**

On paper, this isn't such a bad plan. And I'm usually hyper-critical of 95% of Ford's policies.

Downtown Relief Line, or "Ontario" Line as it is now called, seems to maintain the work done so far and extend to Bloor-Danforth and Crosstown, better relieving the Yonge-University, along with major destinations in the south such as the CN Tower (or close to it) and Ontario Place. They could build the current plan ASAP and start the necessary studies for the remainder.

The Scarborough Subway and Bloor-Danforth looks like they might become one?

And other LRT projects currently planned will be maintained.

Of course, we have to take this with a grain of salt. Transit plans have a tendency to be cancelled or reviewed after a few years.

https://twitter.com/fordnation/status/1115990416061427713

niwell · #**12254** Posted **Apr 10, 2019, 4:13 PM**

The idea of running the DRL to Ontario Place is incredibly shortsighted, as it jeopardizes the chances of a future west routing up to Dundas West Station. While it looks similar to existing planning (done at significant cost), statements made about a bride above the Don, shallower tunnels and "smaller, faster" vehicles are a huge red flag. I mean, not that I expect them to build any of this other than what's currently under construction or in the works.

With the exception of additional stations on the Scarborough extension of the B-D line the rest of this is pretty much what was already funded.

Reecemartin · #**12255** Posted **Apr 10, 2019, 4:19 PM**

Before people raise the alarms about "light" vehicles. Sydney Metro and REM vehicles are light and Sydney Metro has a 40,000 ppdph capacity (higher than the Yonge Line).

This is totally doable from a tech perspective.

niwell · #**12256** Posted **Apr 10, 2019, 4:22 PM**

I'm expecting Canada Line, not Sydney Metro. That is if real plans are ever drawn up.

Reecemartin · #**12257** Posted **Apr 10, 2019, 4:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by niwell

I'm expecting Canada Line, not Sydney Metro. That is if real plans are ever drawn up.

Canada Line is not enough capacity and everyone knows that. Trains will be at least double the length of the ones on Canada Line from what reports are saying. They said capacity is similar to existing subway which is more than double Canada line max capacity.

MalcolmTucker · #**12258** Posted **Apr 10, 2019, 4:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by niwell

The idea of running the DRL to Ontario Place is incredibly shortsighted, as it jeopardizes the chances of a future west routing up to Dundas West Station. While it looks similar to existing planning (done at significant cost), statements made about a bride above the Don, shallower tunnels and "smaller, faster" vehicles are a huge red flag. I mean, not that I expect them to build any of this other than what's currently under construction or in the works.

With the exception of additional stations on the Scarborough extension of the B-D line the rest of this is pretty much what was already funded.

Why do you say that: it increases the length. is there any other reason?

Different vehicles/automated control can increase capacity. I'm not worried about that.

Shallower tunnels, I doubt that is what they will end up with in the core. Calgary is going deep it sounds like. Montreal for the pink line, Ottawa while not as deep as originally planned is still deep.

J.OT13 · #**12259** Posted **Apr 10, 2019, 4:33 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by niwell

The idea of running the DRL to Ontario Place is incredibly shortsighted, as it jeopardizes the chances of a future west routing up to Dundas West Station. While it looks similar to existing planning (done at significant cost), statements made about a bride above the Don, shallower tunnels and "smaller, faster" vehicles are a huge red flag. I mean, not that I expect them to build any of this other than what's currently under construction or in the works.

With the exception of additional stations on the Scarborough extension of the B-D line the rest of this is pretty much what was already funded.

My analysis was based on lines on a map exclusively.

Routing to Dundas West could still be done, though with a less than direct route. Alternatively, modifications to the (by then) built subway could be made decades down the road to re-route part of the Queen subway portion to Dundas West (or other) and make the Ontario Place subway it's own line going further west along the shoreline and north to other east-west lines. Vancouver has done some fairly significant re-routing of lines over the years with Expo and Millennium.

"Shallower, faster, lighter" might require significantly more studies which means more time and money. That's far from ideal. I would prefer they stick to one or two technologies (light rail and heavy rail) in order to facilitate fusing lines together in the future. The Scarborough RT's Skytrain Technology has come to bite us in the ass years later.

I will wait for further information before making up my mind on this new plan.

SFUVancouver · #**12260** Posted **Apr 10, 2019, 4:34 PM**

I truly hope that whatever eventually comes of the DRL/Ontario Line/??? concepts is automated. Goodness, Toronto, please join the 21st century and reap the benefits of lower operating costs and higher frequency.