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Old Posted Feb 25, 2009, 7:33 AM
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My friends brother is Comercial Real Estate Broker and he said the Bank was going to tear down everything but the 2 6 Plex buildings. The 6 Plexes are owned by someone different and are almost done.

What buildings are the 6 Plexes? Are those the two smaller buildings to the left in that photo?
I hope not. If anything needs to be torn down it should be those two smaller buildings. I don't like them as much as the bigger building to the right. I really like the other buildings that they are more dense and how these buildings don't take up much land. I really like the underground parking/First level parking to the unfinish building right by the trax. That is smart development. And guess what....it's in Sandy.
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Park City - Main Street Mall: changes will be dramatic





The Main Street-facing side of what is now the Main Street Mall will undergo a dramatic change under renovation plans that will put commercial space on the Main Street level and mostly residences on the upstairs floors. Courtesy of Park City Municipal Corp.

City Hall officials want to protect the street, neighbors during construction
by Jay Hamburger OF THE RECORD STAFF

Park City officials and the developers who want to refurbish the Main Street Mall are scheduled to continue their talks with the local government on Wednesday, bidding to win a favorable recommendation from a key City Hall panel to clean up the lot lines underlying the building.

Similar discussions about other properties typically attract little attention, but construction at the Main Street Mall, which is situated on prime land at 333 Main St., will likely have significant impacts on the street.

The Planning Commission is scheduled to hold a hearing and discuss the project at a meeting starting at 6:30 p.m. in Room 205 of the Park City Library and Education center. The panel might forward a recommendation to the City Council on Wednesday. The elected officials hold the authority in matters like lot lines.

Some of Wednesday's discussion is expected to address measures the developers will put in place in an effort to reduce construction disturbances to nearby businesses on Main Street and neighbors on Park Avenue. The mall sits in a tight location with businesses on the uphill and downhill sides of Main Street and houses on the Park Avenue-facing side.

According to a report to the Planning Commission, City Hall staffers want the measures to detail construction-staging areas, road and sidewalk closures and how the crews will work during busy times like the Sundance Film Festival, Independence Day, Kimball Arts Festival and popular ski weekends. The measures could also address construction deliveries and worker parking, the report said.

The developers want to refurbish the mall into a building with mostly residences on the upper floors and commercial space on the Main Street level. The mall is a hulking building that, with its contemporary architecture, stands out on a street with many Victorian buildings.

An artist's rendering of the Main Street-facing side shows a dramatically altered appearance that more closely resembles other buildings on the street. The mall's existing architecture has long been criticized by people who prefer the Victorian streetscape.

Kirsten Whetstone, the City Hall planner assigned to the project, said staffers have made a preliminary determination that the designs for the Main Street-facing side fit within the local government's strict guidelines in Old Town. Staffers in late 2007 determined the designs that had been proposed then met the guidelines, but they were later tweaked, requiring another favorable determination for the revisions, Whetstone said.

Whetstone said City Hall has received interest in the plans from business tenants in the mall and people who live on upper Park Avenue, the street directly behind the mall. She said some of the businesses had questions about relations between tenants and mall officials, and others had questions about mechanical equipment planned on the outside of the redone building and the construction plans.

She said she expects testimony on Wednesday from nearby business owners and upper Park Avenue residents.

Michelle Downard, a Building Department official who helped craft the proposed measures for the construction crews, said a covered walkway will likely be built to protect pedestrians on Main Street and the crews will be restricted from parking, receiving deliveries and accessing the site from Park Avenue.

She said City Hall wants Main Street traffic flowing as well as possible, but she said there is a "good chance" of partial closures of the street closest to the site.

The developer did not immediately return a phone message seeking comment.

Rick Anderson, who owns the Eating Establishment, a restaurant close to the mall, said he wants City Hall to make sure sidewalks are not blocked during the construction and the workers do not park in Main Street spots. He said he prefers the staging grounds be on Swede Alley and Park Avenue.

"I hope they can get it done in a season. I'm not sure they could," Anderson said. "My concern is traffic not be diverted. So much of Main Street business is dependent on foot traffic."

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While in Park City a few weeks ago, my wife and I were in the Main Street mall....
....to use the restroom. The rest of the building was a mess, almost no open stores left and architecture that left a lot to be desired. Here's hoping this gets a approved and constructed, because it is sorely needed.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2009, 5:58 PM
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2009, 6:23 PM
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There shouldn't be a problem getting it approved. Both the city and the developers are very keen on getting rid of the poor design choice that was made for the current mall. There are just a few details to work out, but all sides are anxious.
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Im curious as to how this will affect sundance. A number of events are help there and the square footage is optimal for the specific events held there during sundance. I cant think of any other location on main street that could support what they do in the main street mall. It will be interesting to see what happens
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Speaking of Main Street Park City, did anyone know that there are large meeting spaces under Main St? I went up to some Sundance party several years ago to see a dj. I went down this stairwell and ended up what seemed to be directly under the street, it wasn't some tiny little room either, it was rather large.

Just wondering if anyone else has been in there.
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yeah thats actually in the mall. you probably didnt notice it but there is a side door in that area that takes you out into a loding and parking area next to the Egyptian theater. that was the main area i was talking about because i dont know where else that space would be available.
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Well I'm guessing since that part of the mall is below ground that they will be able to keep it as a meeting place. I wasn't aware that is was part of the mall since I entered from the east side of Main rather than through the mall. So they could simply continue to access it from the east side rather than through the mall.
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Correct Future Mayor, that space that you guys are talking about is not a part of the project other than to accomodate more attractive access. Every step is being taken to not only make a major improvement of the physical asthetic of Main Street at that specific location, but also to enchance all aspects of Park City life, as it evolves around this old mall site. Whether it is residential, retail or tourism related, this soon to be improved site will utilize this coveted space more effectively. This is a very exciting step forward for Park City's Main Street. In some ways it's kind of like a mini version of CCC.

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I hope these "dense developments" that you are referring to are being built within walking distance of future TRAX stations, or else this will only induce, and increase the amount of driving in that neighborhood.
Well, one is on 78th South at the West Jordan/Midvale border. It is only about a mile from the existing Sandy line and will soon be about a half mile from the Gardener village station on the Mid-Jordan line (so that's two TRAX lines!). Then, at the District, the apartment complex going up on 118th South and the condo project on 114th South will soon be only a couple miles from the Daybreak South station. Then the two projects going up in western West Jordan will only be a few miles from the 48th West/Old Bingham station. So only one is within easy walking distance, then the others are either easy biking distance or a short drive.
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Speaking of Main Street Park City, did anyone know that there are large meeting spaces under Main St? I went up to some Sundance party several years ago to see a dj. I went down this stairwell and ended up what seemed to be directly under the street, it wasn't some tiny little room either, it was rather large.

Just wondering if anyone else has been in there.
Are you talking about the New Frontier on Main? It's one of my favorite parts of the festival. They bring a bunch of work from some artists there and also have future technicalities in the film world. Two years ago they had this awesome thing hanging on the wall that was composed of a bunch of round wooden disks. In the center was a camera that took your image and then the disks bent in different directions to create shadows that made your silhouette.

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I remember that thingy.. By far one of the coolest/strangest things ive seen. Some of the art that involves film or the use of cameras that they bring in each year are really interesting!!
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Well, one is on 78th South at the West Jordan/Midvale border. It is only about a mile from the existing Sandy line and will soon be about a half mile from the Gardener village station on the Mid-Jordan line (so that's two TRAX lines!). Then, at the District, the apartment complex going up on 118th South and the condo project on 114th South will soon be only a couple miles from the Daybreak South station. Then the two projects going up in western West Jordan will only be a few miles from the 48th West/Old Bingham station. So only one is within easy walking distance, then the others are either easy biking distance or a short drive.
0.5 miles is walking distance. So one of those is within walking distance. However, these developments are just going to induce the amount of driving because what all these developments are doing is densifying the suburban lifestyle. Developers aren't building these dense developments for the sake of the environment or to create efficient transit oriented development (TODs) or else they would be conveniently located near mass transit. They are just trying to make more money, so they are squeezing in as many units as they can on the cheapest piece of property they can find. This will just clog up your suburban, disconnected and spread out roads.
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0.5 miles is walking distance. So one of those is within walking distance. However, these developments are just going to induce the amount of driving because what all these developments are doing is densifying the suburban lifestyle. Developers aren't building these dense developments for the sake of the environment or to create efficient transit oriented development (TODs) or else they would be conveniently located near mass transit. They are just trying to make more money, so they are squeezing in as many units as they can on the cheapest piece of property they can find. This will just clog up your suburban, disconnected and spread out roads.

I'm sure that's what it is

If people are buying, then its obviously in demand. I'm sure they could make just as much money making larger houses on larger lots (higher property values). So which would you prefer; density or sprawl? Sounds like you're against both.

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South Jordan Update

Here is the apartment project going up at the District at 118th South just off Bangetter:











The Garbett Homes condo project going up just north of the District at 114th South just off Bangetter:







All pics were taken today (2/27/09)

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The only part of the SL Valley where Mt. Timpanogos is visible

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It's visible from most of the southwest quadrant of the valley...
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Mt. Timpanogos is visible from Riverton where my parents live.
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Mt. Timpanogos is also visible from the lookout north of Downtown... Or is that Nebo?
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