New York Supertalls

[chris08876]

Rendering of: 138 East 50th Street

At 803 ft and 64 floors Hunser!

[hunser]

^

A new, solid 800 footer and a nice design too!

[WIGGLEWORTH]

Ugh, the progress is insane!

[chris08876]

Figured its relevant:

Was bored:

Some stats: As of 9/15

1) Towers 100m > under construction: 54

2) Towers 100m > proposed: 50

3) Towers 100m > complete: 733


1A) % addition to existing stock: 7.37 %

2A) % addition to existing stock if proposed all rise + 1A %): 14.19%

Just did some quick calculations based on CTBUH data. CTBUH > Emporis for accuracy. I noticed they updated several towers.

This being for towers exacly 100.0 meters equal/greater than. Nothing less. If it is 99.9m, not included. Although the numbers just add dramatically to the list if 90-99.9 meters are included.

100m = 328 ft

[newyorker]

^^Thanks for stats

..Does anybody know if there are FAA limitations on how high we can build in Manhattan?? My concern is being able to keep up with the height of buildings in the rest of the world as we have no megatalls yet.

[C.]

There is a lot of misconception about FAA's Navigable Airspace Standards - which many folks on her incorrectly refer to as FAA's 2,000 foot height limit. It's not a height limit per se, but simply the threshold which triggers FAA involvement in the approval process, primarily to make sure the proposed structure isn't a hazard to air traffic or an inefficient use of air space. They revised their regulations recently, which lowered the burden for applicants applying to build a structure above 2,000 ft. To my knowledge, only telecommunication companies have approached the FAA, and have received permission, to build telecommunication towers above 2,000ft. No real estate developer has ever approached the FAA about a building a skyscraper over 2,000ft. It's local zoning and market conditions which explains why we haven't seen one yet, not the FAA.

Old Language - 14 CFR 77.17(c)
A proposed structure or an alteration to an existing structure that exceeds
2,000 feet in height above the ground will be presumed to be a hazard to air
navigation and to result in an inefficient utilization of airspace and the applicant
has the burden of overcoming that presumption. Each notice submitted under
the pertinent provisions of this part 77 proposing a structure in excess of 2,000
feet above ground, or an alteration that will make an existing structure exceed
that height, must contain a detailed showing, directed to meeting this burden.
Only in exceptional cases, where the FAA concludes that a clear and compelling
showing has been made that it would not result in an inefficient utilization of the
airspace and would not result in a hazard to air navigation, will a determination
of no hazard be issued.

New Language - 14 CFR 77.7(d)
If you propose construction or alteration to an existing structure that exceeds 2,000 ft. in height above ground level (AGL), the FAA presumes it to be a hazard to air navigation that results in an inefficient use of airspace. You must include details explaining both why the proposal would not constitute a hazard to air navigation and why it would not cause an inefficient use of airspace.

[hunser]

Nice stats Chris!

New York 200m+ count:

Completed: 59
T/O: 4
U/C: 22
__________
Total: 85

... that's even more than Dubai (83) and Shenzhen (71), and far more than other cities.

So in that regard, we are No. 1.

[Eidolon]

We can add another supertall to the list.

666 5th Ave

[chris08876]

Hunser might need medication. This is too much good news to handle in a couple of days. A 800 footer and a 1400 footer!

Maybe JR was on to something all along. This clearly is some divine age we are in.

[Eidolon]

^^^^
I might need something myself at the current pace these towers are popping up.

The Age of Ramses!

[C.]

Originally Posted by Eidolon

We can add another supertall to the list.

666 5th Ave

Now this is more good news!

[C.]

I'll post this here:

http://www.cityofjerseycity.com/uplo...ent%20Maps.pdf

There is a new 95-storey tower planned for Jersey City at 55 Hudson. This is one block south of the infamous 99 Hudson. The new development proposal is for 903,000 commercial sqft and 17,500 sqft of retail.

[WIGGLEWORTH]

And the Design of the 800 footer is great to boot!!! I wonder how the Hadid building will look???

[scalziand]

Originally Posted by CIA

To my knowledge, only telecommunication companies have approached the FAA, and have received permission, to build telecommunication towers above 2,000ft. No real estate developer has ever approached the FAA about a building a skyscraper over 2,000ft.

Two World Trade Center proposals in Chicago applied for and received a waiver to build over 2000'.

[hunser]

Originally Posted by Eidolon

We can add another supertall to the list.

666 5th Ave

Originally Posted by chris08876

Hunser might need medication. This is too much good news to handle in a couple of days. A 800 footer and a 1400 footer!

Maybe JR was on to something all along. This clearly is some divine age we are in.

Originally Posted by Eidolon

^^^^
I might need something myself at the current pace these towers are popping up.

The Age of Ramses!

What on ... ? This is beyond crazy, Midtown is developing a 1,400 foot plateau.

This is the New York!

I've added 666 5th Ave & HY Phase II to the list.

[C.]

Originally Posted by scalziand

Two World Trade Center proposals in Chicago applied for and received a waiver to build over 2000'.

Thanks for the info. And that was under the old more restrictive FAA rules. Do you have a link to read more up about this?

[hunser]

New York is building too much LOL!

http://www.ctbuh.org/News/GlobalTall...S/Default.aspx

US Construction Hit by Curtain Walling Crisis
New York City, United States – 10 September 2015

A shortage of US curtain walling makers caused by the 2008 global financial crisis is so severe that it is halting projects and has even forced one developer to open its own factory. Eleven of America’s 47 glass cladding companies went out of business after the financial crisis, and, now that there is a boom in tower construction, the market is suffering from a severe lack of capacity.

[...]

Some developers have taken drastic measures to alleviate the effects of the shortage. Related, which is building the Hudson Yards scheme on the west side of Manhattan – the largest private development in US history – has opened its own glass panel maker, New Hudson Façades.

[photoLith]

^
Will these new factories just go out of business once Hudson Yards is completed though?

[scalziand]

^That's not going to be an issue for another decade or two. By that time, more land should have been rezoned surrounding the yards. I'm thinking Javitts and the several blocks immediately adjacent to the south of the yards.

I'm slightly warmed by the fact that developers aren't finding it useful to resort to Chinese sourced cladding.

A restart can take month because thousands of pounds of hardened, melted glass have to be removed from melting tanks with sledgehammers.

Really? No jackhammers?

[hunser]

Both 50 West and 5 Beekman have topped out structurally, but not architecturally. Meaning the final height has not been reached yet. 50 West is missing its crown / observation deck and 5 Beekman its spires.



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