YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Lancaster

Forgive me, but wasn't AC 2x daily this summer? Maybe I was out to lunch.

No. The route was launched as a daily E90, then upgauged to a daily 319....
Now it will be twice daily CRAs.

[CareerShow]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

No. The route was launched as a daily E90, then upgauged to a daily 319....
Now it will be twice daily CRAs.

I have to say, the E90 is a far more comfortable ride than the CRA as well. Unfortunate at this time AC has moved all operation out of YVR.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Point well made. Hmmmm .... intriguing, yes ......

Don't stop at search. Watch the whole series. You won't regret it.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by CareerShow

I have to say, the E90 is a far more comfortable ride than the CRA as well. Unfortunate at this time AC has moved all operation out of YVR.

I'd imagine these are stop-gap solutions until the C-series arrives, it's a great sized and distance route for that plane. Either way the boost is good news.

I for one appreciate the multitude of options to Chicago, since work seems to be taking me there more and more.

I wonder if AA will ever get in on the action, they like to pretend they are equals with United at ORD.

[SFUVancouver]

The C-Series lives!

Bombardier just sold 50.01% to Airbus (for $0) for a commitment to keep program HQ in Quebec, keep a final assembly line in Quebec (plus a second one in Mobile, AL), and they're going to sell the hell out of it as an Airbus product with Airbus parts and support. Boeing must be apoplectic tonight.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...stake-in-bombardier-c-series-jet-program

[stiffdeadman]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I'd imagine these are stop-gap solutions until the C-series arrives, it's a great sized and distance route for that plane. Either way the boost is good news.

I for one appreciate the multitude of options to Chicago, since work seems to be taking me there more and more.

I wonder if AA will ever get in on the action, they like to pretend they are equals with United at ORD.

i think the problem is O'hare has no gate space left to add new flights. i read they have proposals for a large terminal re-construction now that the new runways are all completed. so for american to add YVR they would have to cut something else, and as we have seen in the last little while canada is not as profitable for american carriers as their own domestic routes. remember years ago american had service from ord to yyc, but it was cut.

also if you're a spotter i would recommend putting o'hare on your list for spotting. freakin crazy how quickly the flights come. i hung out at the threshold of runway 10C by the approach lights and it was awesome. have to go back someday.

[connect2source]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

The C-Series lives!

Bombardier just sold 50.01% to Airbus (for $0) for a commitment to keep program HQ in Quebec, keep a final assembly line in Quebec (plus a second one in Mobile, AL), and they're going to sell the hell out of it as an Airbus product with Airbus parts and support. Boeing must be apoplectic tonight.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...stake-in-bombardier-c-series-jet-program

10 + pages of chat and rant about this on airliners.net, lots of support for this and lots of comments from yours truly.

http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1376389

[stiffdeadman]

saw it posted on world air routes that next summer one of delta's seattle-yvr flights will be mainline 737-800. not a direct turn either as it arrives in the evening and the return flight is midday. alaska's flight is midday as well, so that's alot of seats to seatac in that time period. wonder if it's a case that delta needs a place to park a plane overnight since seatac is so congested and can't do a return in the morning because they already have full gate utilization down there at that time.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by stiffdeadman

saw it posted on world air routes that next summer one of delta's seattle-yvr flights will be mainline 737-800. not a direct turn either as it arrives in the evening and the return flight is midday. alaska's flight is midday as well, so that's alot of seats to seatac in that time period. wonder if it's a case that delta needs a place to park a plane overnight since seatac is so congested and can't do a return in the morning because they already have full gate utilization down there at that time.

The flight will operate on a SEA-YVR-ATL and ATL-YVR-SEA rotation.

So the flight will arrive from SEA in the evening and operate the red-eye to ATL (or could even be JFK).

The daily flight from ATL arrives in YVR just after 12 noon then jets off to SEA before 1pm.

Delta will be operating 7 daily flights to SEA next summer.

AS will be operating 2 daily 739s plus 3 daily Q400s.

[LeftCoaster]

Great news, good to see Delta expanding on their 6x PW this year.

Couple other changes from airlineroute:

AC not going daily on Taipei until a month later than planned. Surprised with this one given the capacity loss on the route from EVA and China Airlines going to 77W
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...anada-may-2018-taipei-frequency-changes/

AC to Delhi is going daily in December, as originally spotted by nname:
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...sts-vancouver-delhi-service-in-dec-2017/

Still hope to see Delhi go year round at some point, so definitely a good sign the peak period seems so strong.

[nname]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

AC not going daily on Taipei until a month later than planned. Surprised with this one given the capacity loss on the route from EVA and China Airlines going to 77W
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...anada-may-2018-taipei-frequency-changes/

There are ALOT of additional capacity. Even if both airlines no longer uses 744, both of them are still gaining seats rather than losing them.

CI:
5x weekly 744 = 319Y 49W 12C x5 = 1595Y 245W 60C = 1900 seats
7x weekly 359 = 243Y 31W 32C x7 = 1701Y 217W 224C = 2142 seats (+13%)

BR:
5x weekly 744 = 280Y 56W 36C x5 = 1400Y 280W 180C = 1860 seats
7x weekly 77WHD = 258Y 56W 39C x7 = 1806Y 392W 273C = 2471 seats (+33%)

Now add in AC
5x weekly 789 = 247Y 21W 30C x5 = 1235Y 105W 150C = 1490 seats

Total:
Winter 2016 = 3760 seats
Winter 2017 = 6103 seats (+62%)



Speaking of which... Here is the stat for YVR-TPE route for the past 4 months:

           CI Pass/LF     BR Pass/LF     AC Pass/LF
2017/09    14002/76.3%    15231/75.7%    13532/78.3%
2017/08    16618/86.9%    19110/86.3%    16482/89.2%
2017/07    20660/87.1%    17757/80.3%    16475/89.2%
2017/06    16216/84.5%    14273/73.8%    12247/93.4%

[mezzanine]

Originally Posted by nname

There are ALOT of additional capacity. Even if both airlines no longer uses 744, both of them are still gaining seats rather than losing them.

CI:
5x weekly 744 = 319Y 49W 12C x5 = 1595Y 245W 60C = 1900 seats
7x weekly 359 = 243Y 31W 32C x7 = 1701Y 217W 224C = 2142 seats (+13%)

BR:
5x weekly 744 = 280Y 56W 36C x5 = 1400Y 280W 180C = 1860 seats
7x weekly 77WHD = 258Y 56W 39C x7 = 1806Y 392W 273C = 2471 seats (+33%)

Now add in AC
5x weekly 789 = 247Y 21W 30C x5 = 1235Y 105W 150C = 1490 seats

Total:
Winter 2016 = 3760 seats
Winter 2017 = 6103 seats (+62%)



Speaking of which... Here is the stat for YVR-TPE route for the past 4 months:

           CI Pass/LF     BR Pass/LF     AC Pass/LF
2017/09    14002/76.3%    15231/75.7%    13532/78.3%
2017/08    16618/86.9%    19110/86.3%    16482/89.2%
2017/07    20660/87.1%    17757/80.3%    16475/89.2%
2017/06    16216/84.5%    14273/73.8%    12247/93.4%

wow, good to see that AC has the strongest loads. I've flown the BR flight before and although it arrives in the morning at TPE for good onward connections, the ~ 2am departure is the pits...

also wonder what sort of cooperation is there between AC and BR.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by nname

There are ALOT of additional capacity. Even if both airlines no longer uses 744, both of them are still gaining seats rather than losing them.

CI:
5x weekly 744 = 319Y 49W 12C x5 = 1595Y 245W 60C = 1900 seats
7x weekly 359 = 243Y 31W 32C x7 = 1701Y 217W 224C = 2142 seats (+13%)

BR:
5x weekly 744 = 280Y 56W 36C x5 = 1400Y 280W 180C = 1860 seats
7x weekly 77WHD = 258Y 56W 39C x7 = 1806Y 392W 273C = 2471 seats (+33%)

Now add in AC
5x weekly 789 = 247Y 21W 30C x5 = 1235Y 105W 150C = 1490 seats

Total:
Winter 2016 = 3760 seats
Winter 2017 = 6103 seats (+62%)



Speaking of which... Here is the stat for YVR-TPE route for the past 4 months:

           CI Pass/LF     BR Pass/LF     AC Pass/LF
2017/09    14002/76.3%    15231/75.7%    13532/78.3%
2017/08    16618/86.9%    19110/86.3%    16482/89.2%
2017/07    20660/87.1%    17757/80.3%    16475/89.2%
2017/06    16216/84.5%    14273/73.8%    12247/93.4%

Thanks for the LF stats, pretty useful. Loads are strong but not blowing it away.

I always thought China Airlines ran 11xPW in the summer, not 5. That would make up for a lot of that capacity gain right there.

[nname]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I always thought China Airlines ran 11xPW in the summer, not 5. That would make up for a lot of that capacity gain right there.

Those are for a couple of weeks only - not because there's that much demand, but they rather fly empty planes to hold the 4x weekly right than letting BR grab them. When they run it, overall LF was in the 60s in the middle of the peak season.

They must've reached some sort of a deal lately so those extra flights are no longer needed.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Thanks for the LF stats, pretty useful. Loads are strong but not blowing it away.

I always thought China Airlines ran 11xPW in the summer, not 5. That would make up for a lot of that capacity gain right there.

The 10-11pw was only for just a couple of weeks in the Uber peak periods. So definitely not consistent.

I’d say looking at the loads much of that new capacity is being absorbed.

Also looking at the loads still really indicates the seasonality of YVR.

Reading the latest economic stats released and also CBRE’s latest quarterly report indicates Vancouver will continue to lead the country in economic growth which will help strengthen YVR’s position.

Also.... just heard the D/E concourse expansion was approved last Friday and preconstruction has already commenced. Nothing official from YVR but go have a look!

[Johnny Aussie]

This just kind of crept up!

Interjet commenced services to CUN and MEX today.

Also, looks like CUN bumping up to 5 weekly after New Years.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

This just kind of crept up!

Interjet commenced services to CUN and MEX today.

Also, looks like CUN bumping up to 5 weekly after New Years.

I only see them increase MEX to daily and CUN to 5-6x weekly during the holidays, then back down to 4x weekly each after second week of Jan

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

I only see them increase MEX to daily and CUN to 5-6x weekly during the holidays, then back down to 4x weekly each after second week of Jan

Most recent OAG scheds show an additional late afternoon flight on Mondays right through the end of February.

Regardless why the sad face? Seriously even at 4pw this is another great addition for YVR.

Look at where YVR-Mexico has gone in the last two years... Aeromexico and Interjet alone are a combined 22-23 weekly. MEX has exploded, CUN has exploded... AC adding frequencies (mainline on a lot of the flights). I don't understand the negativity of some posters sometimes.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Regardless why the sad face? Seriously even at 4pw this is another great addition for YVR.

That was meant to be a confused face...

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And.. did anyone mentioned that YVR-YMM seems to be completely gone now? From both AC and WS...

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

And.. did anyone mentioned that YVR-YMM seems to be completely gone now? From both AC and WS...

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. That town's economy just tanked with low oil prices and the tragedy of the fire event made travel on thinner routes uneconomical.

It's so bad YEG-YMM on AC is down to only 3 flights per day on 50 seat DH3s and Westjet down to only 1 mainline and 3 Encore flights per day. Even YYC-YMM on AC has 2 out of the 5 now on DH3s and only 1 of the 5 daily Westjet flights are mainline.
YMM-YYZ back to only 2 daily E90s on AC and a single 73W on Westjet.