Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[Always Sunny in SLC]

Originally Posted by rockies

I think my favorite potential spot for development is the park place parking lot by vivint... can't come soon enough

I would love for them to sell them off, but I know that is not likely. I want the one by the Triad to be a regional park with a small lake created by City Creek.

[delts145]

Those lots will always be owned by the L.D.S. Church. I assume that when they are finally developed it will be something stunning, as most of their developments of late always are. I just hope it's sooner than later. Lately, though they've had a lot of projects on the table in Salt Lake City and the metro in general. The probably accurate rumor mill has it that the blocks will be primarily an expansion of the Business School and B.Y.U. Salt Lake Campuses.

[SLC PopPunk]

Looking at the SavethePantages Instagram, it appears Hines has given the shops a notice to vacate by January 31, 2022.

Also, I saw Boomerangs, the bar that replaced Murphey's, just took over the space above them (formerly Gandolfos). Just found it odd to expand when it seems the end is very near.

[i2theSKY]

Originally Posted by SLC PopPunk

Looking at the SavethePantages Instagram, it appears Hines has given the shops a notice to vacate by January 31, 2022.

Also, I saw Boomerangs, the bar that replaced Murphey's, just took over the space above them (formerly Gandolfos). Just found it odd to expand when it seems the end is very near.

Maybe Michael Valentine from save the Pantages convinced Boomerang they had already won. Poor guy seams to be a bit delusional.

[SLC PopPunk]

Originally Posted by i2theSKY

Maybe Michael Valentine from save the Pantages convinced Boomerang they had already won. Poor guy seams to be a bit delusional.

Yeah for sure. Reading his response to the Hines notice to vacate had a bit of a foreboding vibe to it.

[Ironweed]

I was able to drive through the city today. Quite a bit of lot prep going on in the near west side. (200 South) The Bus company property has been cleared. Excavation is happening now. This is the property with the L shaped apartment project to wrap around Centro Civico. On the same block on the South side, work is picking up, along with the lot directly south and across the street. Some sort of concrete utility box is being built at the Moda-Lux site today. Lots going on at Astra. Apartments springing up all over town. Hard to keep up with them all.

The reddit site, SLC development, had some weird article suggesting a rumor that Goldman Sachs wants to move to Draper once 'The Point' is finished.

One reason; too many homeless wandering the streets? I'm not confident in the rumor. There is a ton of homeless downtown, true. Most of them are bused or flown in from other cities. There are services, but its hard to keep up when a fresh crop comes in. P.S. I am not demeaning the homeless. I volunteer to help them when I can.

[rockies]

Originally Posted by delts145

Those lots will always be owned by the L.D.S. Church. I assume that when they are finally developed it will be something stunning, as most of their developments of late always are. I just hope it's sooner than later. Lately, though they've had a lot of projects on the table in Salt Lake City and the metro in general. The probably accurate rumor mill has it that the blocks will be primarily an expansion of the Business School and B.Y.U. Salt Lake Campuses.

It would be interesting to have both the future U of U campus and a larger BYU presence downtown. Although I would love for something bigger I bet more students would make downtown even more vibrant

[ThePusherMan]

Originally Posted by SLC PopPunk

Looking at the SavethePantages Instagram, it appears Hines has given the shops a notice to vacate by January 31, 2022.

Also, I saw Boomerangs, the bar that replaced Murphey's, just took over the space above them (formerly Gandolfos). Just found it odd to expand when it seems the end is very near.

Only odd if you think they are running a business and not just laundering money.

[freeshavocado]

Originally Posted by Ironweed

The reddit site, SLC development, had some weird article suggesting a rumor that Goldman Sachs wants to move to Draper once 'The Point' is finished.

Huh, I didn't see that article. Could you link it?

[Makid]

I don't think Goldman would move to Draper. A good 75% of their employees live closer to downtown than Draper and with nearly 33% living in or near downtown.

There isn't going to be enough bars or restaurants within walking distance of any office in Draper to support after work get togethers. Even during lunch, multiple bars are filled with Goldman employees.

I think some people are trying to push rumors of relocations to the Point area as a way to sell the area to other companies. The biggest fear right now is that with the push from multiple companies, including tech, that are putting a higher value on Urban, Walkable areas, such as city centers (downtowns), that there won't be as much demand for space at the Point.

I have also heard that a few companies walked away from planned relocation and expansion at the Point due to a lack of transit connections. If what I heard is correct, this would explain the push behind Sundial.

[Atlas]

UTA should prioritize extending the Blue Line to Lehi since the ROW already exists and it would actually be useful for commuters between the counties. The proposed BRT Line is useful to exactly no one right now and it's baffling that it's getting built before the Blue Line extension. Hopefully they can still share the ROW in the future.

I swear that every version of the POM plan gets incrementally worse, to the point where now the plan calls for 40,000 parking spaces (no joke). I like the open space and the mix of uses, but without a good connection to SLC's transit system I think it's a complete missed opportunity.


count the parking garages in that second image

Meanwhile, a somewhat-comparable-but-much-better project in Denver, the River Mile, will have a similar number of new housing units (15,000) on a tenth of the acreage.

[Ironweed]

I am with you Makid.

The article has been pulled. I can no longer find it, either. Probably the OP has some interest in diverting business there.

The general theme of the article was that SLC is in decline. (Complete BS)

[allh]

What's stopping them from building vertically and having parking on the first floor of the buildings?

[allh]

https://www.ffkr.com/work/south-temple-apartments/

The first building will have remodeled interior and contain about 20 units but will serve primarily as the amenities like the fitness center, lounge, etc.

[TheGeographer]

Originally Posted by Atlas

UTA should prioritize extending the Blue Line to Lehi since the ROW already exists and it would actually be useful for commuters between the counties. The proposed BRT Line is useful to exactly no one right now and it's baffling that it's getting built before the Blue Line extension. Hopefully they can still share the ROW in the future.

I swear that every version of the POM plan gets incrementally worse, to the point where now the plan calls for 40,000 parking spaces (no joke). I like the open space and the mix of uses, but without a good connection to SLC's transit system I think it's a complete missed opportunity.


count the parking garages in that second image

Meanwhile, a somewhat-comparable-but-much-better project in Denver, the River Mile, will have a similar number of new housing units (15,000) on a tenth of the acreage.

The plans for River Mile in Denver as stands look amazing. Forward thinking development for sure. The first rendering of point of the mountain looks way better than recent renderings. Missed opportunity. Separate topic but related to car centric mega developments, I wonder how these car centric mega developments like point of the mountain and the inland port will further degrade air quality. With the salt lake drying up, and worsening drought and air quality not sure how appealing Salt Lake will be in the future. Hopefully the minority voices raising concerns about these issues will get through to the majority so we can make some changes before Salt Lake becomes unappealing for future development. Despite ongoing drought, resources like water are more in our control then neighboring cities since we are in an internally draining basin and not tied down by the colorado river pact.. Smarter water use and allocation from agriculture to industrial could ensure we thrive into the future. Air quality is also within our control. Cars produce around half of our valley pollution (not including the annual wildfire smoke now). Sorry for the rant but this is all related to developments like point of the mountain that lack forward thinking. The decision makers in charge of point of the mountain have a mentality that is “live in the moment” and think “fill in the blank will provide. They are dangerous to future development in Salt Lake and sustainable growth. If you can believe it places like Cleveland are now marketing themselves to prospective companies as a place resilient to future climate change impacts. I know Cleveland is super unappealing now, but give it 25-50 years and things could look different.

[UTPlanner]

The building that houses the new Boomerang bar is not owned by Hines and should remain.

[SLC PopPunk]

Originally Posted by UTPlanner

The building that houses the new Boomerang bar is not owned by Hines and should remain.

Thanks for the info. The initial renderings showed the Main St Apts going right up against the US Bank building.

[bob rulz]

Considering the continued dominance of Republicans in the state legislature and the growing partisan divide, I expect the animosity between the city and the state will only continue to increase. The state will continue to push LDS-dominated, heavily Republican suburban areas as the places to do business and will continue doing everything possible to screw over Salt Lake City. The interests of residents of Salt Lake City will continue to get marginalized and ignored. The inland port, the prison relocation, heavy promotion of the PoM project, and now the new congressional map, all slaps in the face to the city. The state doesn't give a damn about Salt Lake City and that's not going to change. The city has to do its best to chart its own course, and hope that business and development will continue coming to Salt Lake City on their own accord, and maybe, eventually the state will realize that directly going against the interests of their largest city is counterproductive. Though I wouldn't expect that to happen for a long time at the very least, and maybe never.

This is why I think the best thing that could happen to Salt Lake City would be getting the Olympics again. It's one of the few times that the interests of the state and the city would align. Salt Lake City saw a lot of real, substantial positive developments from the Olympics, and it could happen again.

[Atlas]

Yeah I agree with that except Huntsman being governor again would have been good for SLC, despite being LDS and a Republican. Instead we got small-town bald guy #127. In fairness to Cox, we did get some good funding for FrontRunner double tracking this year.

SLC would surely be a bigger force in the legislature if it had more residents. Anyone know the history on why SLC didn't annex places like Millcreek, South Salt Lake, and WVC when it had the chance? With just those three cities in tow, SLC would have a population of 420,000 people right now.

Anyway, here's hoping the Tech Lake City initiative can challenge the Silicon Slopes for some of these tech companies going forward.

[SaltCityScrapers]

Originally Posted by Atlas

Yeah I agree with that except Huntsman being governor again would have been good for SLC, despite being LDS and a Republican. Instead we got small-town bald guy #127. In fairness to Cox, we did get some good funding for FrontRunner double tracking this year.

SLC would surely be a bigger force in the legislature if it had more residents. Anyone know the history on why SLC didn't annex places like Millcreek, South Salt Lake, and WVC when it had the chance? With just those three cities in tow, SLC would have a population of 420,000 people right now.

Anyway, here's hoping the Tech Lake City initiative can challenge the Silicon Slopes for some of these tech companies going forward.

Annexation has always been a contentious issue. When Salt Lake City tried annexing the Millcreek area, as well as Holladay, Cottonwood, and parts of current Sandy (before incorporation), the locals voted it down and incorporated into their own cities. Quality of services and higher costs from a distant city, like Salt Lake, were the issues the voters cared about. Also, water rights and local utilities came into play. Murray and Sandy were also trying to annex those unincorporated areas, so it got real interesting for a while there. Salt Lake County was dancing around the mix too.

Pride in the local neighborhood played a hand too.

At the end of the day, the majority cared most about how much their utilities would cost, what kind of service they would receive, and keeping historic names around.

Enjoy a couple articles on the subject from back in the day:

https://www.deseret.com/1999/6/4/194...f-other-cities
https://www.deseret.com/1999/2/11/19...reas-near-them

You should look at a map of all the islands of unincorporation scattered throughout the valley. Sandy has over a dozen! These are families (in some cases only 2 houses) that wanted to continue to receive services and utilities from the Salt Lake County. "White City" is the largest island.

Check out the reddit thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SaltLakeCit...t_lake_county/

West Valley had a history of poor services and no infrastructure. They were the destination for every developer's multi-unit dream. Curb and gutters were missing from a lot of subdivisions. No zoning regulation.

There were concerns that annexation by Salt Lake City would result in more of the same.

They had a failed vote for incorporation in 1978. The repeat ballot in 1980 was successful. The new city tossed around the idea for a better name several times, such as "Granger-Hunter" and other unwieldy names, and the voters always fell back on "West Valley City".