ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[ATLSkyPalaceOwner]

1. Anyone know what's going on with Yoo on the Park?

2. Does anyone know if street and/or sidewalk improvement will be a part of the 33 Peachtree Place construction? The Cypress-adjacent sidewalk is a nightmare especially.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

It is on the property owner to have the sidewalk to requirements, usually not enforced on existing properties well, but I believe all new development required to redo sidewalks to current "Midtown design"

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by Terminus

No. Zoning cannot take private property for public good, such as a park, without the City actually buying the land. If it could, you can imagine that the City would just zone areas that they wanted to be parks as parks.

Zoning can shape the nature of new development via form, use, and intensity, but taking 100% of the use of the property for public use is completely illegal without just compensation.

i'm not suggesting they rezone the property to "parkland"; however, if they wished to follow the park expansion plans, they could simply deny the rezoning of the lot and make future plans to purchase the lot. the developer has probably not even purchased the lot yet, the sale is probably contingent on the rezoning of the property.

the current owner could file suit against the city as a "taking", but seeing as the property is still in its current zoning, plus the general failure of those sorts of lawsuits, i doubt it would get anywhere.

once again, i'm not saying that the city *should* do this. the old fourth ward park plan could certainly be modified. i just think it's another example of the city being two steps behind of the beltline in nearly every instance.

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by AtlantaMustang

186-206 Edgewood Ave



http://www.atlantadowntown.com/go/186-206-edgewood-property-new-construction

is this filling the gap between the two stretches of old storefronts along auburn?

Originally Posted by Terminus

I really like the scale of the Downtown projects and the fact that many are adaptive re-use of smaller buildings. I prefer this over the monolithic single-block towers that we're seeing in other areas (which, quite honestly, is Peachtree Center all over again, just with a better street presence).

it is certainly a more organic way for our city to develop. there hasn't been a lot of small lot development in the city, i think generally because the land is cheap (and unused) enough that they are able to buy the entire block and build taller buildings with more units (read: more money), and secondly because development over the last 50 years has been very suburban-centred: while in the past a small time developer could build a 4 story building with some confidence that the adjacent lot would soon be taken as well, that hasn't been the truth recently, and it seems like since the 1960s, the only ones willing to take on development in urban areas are those that could ensure complete control over the surrounding environment, hence the rise of megaprojects in urban areas.

my only complaint is that they aren't a bit taller. a lot of these going in are 3-4 stories, which doesn't add a great deal of density to the community. i was hoping they would go for 7-8 stories, more like the renaissance walk development, or what they are building in downtown decatur.

regardless, it is much better than anything the community has seen over the last 40 or so years, which has essentially been nothing but the destruction of historic buildings.

[AtlantaMustang]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

is this filling the gap between the two stretches of old storefronts along auburn?

Nope, type in the address on google maps. It's on Edgewood between Jesse Hill and Piedmont. There was talk of a medical office proposal there at one time.

[Curious Atlantan]

Good to know, thanks!

Originally Posted by Terminus

You are mistaken. This is the revised plan that preserves the Daily World building. It's going on the parking lot next door.

All of these projects are happening.

[Verge]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

is this filling the gap between the two stretches of old storefronts along auburn?



it is certainly a more organic way for our city to develop. there hasn't been a lot of small lot development in the city, i think generally because the land is cheap (and unused) enough that they are able to buy the entire block and build taller buildings with more units (read: more money), and secondly because development over the last 50 years has been very suburban-centred: while in the past a small time developer could build a 4 story building with some confidence that the adjacent lot would soon be taken as well, that hasn't been the truth recently, and it seems like since the 1960s, the only ones willing to take on development in urban areas are those that could ensure complete control over the surrounding environment, hence the rise of megaprojects in urban areas.

my only complaint is that they aren't a bit taller. a lot of these going in are 3-4 stories, which doesn't add a great deal of density to the community. i was hoping they would go for 7-8 stories, more like the renaissance walk development, or what they are building in downtown decatur.

regardless, it is much better than anything the community has seen over the last 40 or so years, which has essentially been nothing but the destruction of historic buildings.

Edgewood at Jesse Hill-- on Edgewood-- same block as Renaissance Walk (opposite side). Pretty bad architecture----

[Terminus]

Originally Posted by Verge

Edgewood at Jesse Hill-- on Edgewood-- same block as Renaissance Walk (opposite side). Pretty bad architecture----

Agreed. It's awful. Luckily it's in the historic district so AUDC may force some changes.

[kingkool]

Originally Posted by ATLSkyPalaceOwner

1. Anyone know what's going on with Yoo on the Park?

Same as always, developer has no money. The bid from the general contractor expired so the GC took all equipment off site and the developer will have to get contractors to rebid (and construction costs have gone up). i dont understand how they could owe so much on the land and get zero return and keep paying interest / principal, seems like its huge, unsustainable loss every month. I know daniels was breaking even renting parking on their lots on peachtree, so i assume the yoo on peachtree site is sustainable even with no development, but the 13th street site owes $7M at 20% per annum interest rate and gets lierally zero return, which by my math means over $100K losses for each month it sits undevelolped, and it has been many months now. maybe someone with more finance background can help me understand.

[Verge]

Originally Posted by Terminus

Agreed. It's awful. Luckily it's in the historic district so AUDC may force some changes.

And they will--

[AtlantaMustang]

I make take I for granted that everyone knows this as I work downtown, but FYI, streetcar testing seems to be going very well. Keeps zipping by my office. Just took this guy.

[Libertarian]

The streetcar people should start building out new loops in order to retain and keep active the development skillsets. Maybe a loop up Piedmont to 10th and back down Juniper/Courtland to Auburn. Secondly, another one up Williams St to Ivan Allen Blvd over to Luckie St up to Regents Dr and back down Marietta St. to Fairlie and over to Williams. Third, North Ave - Highland Ave - Ponce and 1 block on Myrtle back to North. Forth, one on W.Peachtree - 17th St - Spring St - North Ave. All great for development of course. They would have transfer stops coming within 1 block of the other loops and Marta stations. Just my 2 cents. The funding would be from various sources. I know there's planning happening but they need to ramp it up.

[Canguy]

Originally Posted by ATLSkyPalaceOwner

1. Anyone know what's going on with Yoo on the Park?

2. Does anyone know if street and/or sidewalk improvement will be a part of the 33 Peachtree Place construction? The Cypress-adjacent sidewalk is a nightmare especially.

Yoo on the Park's price will continue to escalate as the work in Atlanta picks up.

33 Peachtree will have the streetscape on all 4 sides redone with more City of Atlanta lighting on 8th,Cypress, and Peachtree Place.

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by AtlantaMustang

Nope, type in the address on google maps. It's on Edgewood between Jesse Hill and Piedmont. There was talk of a medical office proposal there at one time.

sorry, i meant edgewood. i am trying to figure out if this is at the corner of edgewood and piedmont, or if it is between the two remaining historic buildings on the empty lot.

[mayhem]

Originally Posted by Terminus

Agreed. It's awful. Luckily it's in the historic district so AUDC may force some changes.

Compared to the GSU frat houses, this building looks like 3344 Peachtree.

[arctk2014]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

sorry, i meant edgewood. i am trying to figure out if this is at the corner of edgewood and piedmont, or if it is between the two remaining historic buildings on the empty lot.

The rendering depicts the two existing buildings on the corner of Jesse Hill Jr and Edgewood and possible the current structure on the block on the left side as well and tucking in infill around those. I could imagine some of it might just become "facadism" which isn't adaptive reuse in my opinion anymore. But perhaps they can utilize the structures to fit the program appropriately without tearing down everything but the facades here.

[Tuckerman]

Question

What are those extensions at the top of Buckhead Skyhouse. Are they for lighting?

[BlueSangha]

Originally Posted by Tuckerman

Question

What are those extensions at the top of Buckhead Skyhouse. Are they for lighting?

They are part of the roof for the amenities level witch they haven't finished yet.

[Tuckerman]

Originally Posted by BlueSangha

They are part of the roof for the amenities level witch they haven't finished yet.

Thanks. this design looks quite different from any of the other Skyhouse roofs

[briantech]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

The streetcar people should start building out new loops in order to retain and keep active the development skillsets. Maybe a loop up Piedmont to 10th and back down Juniper/Courtland to Auburn. Secondly, another one up Williams St to Ivan Allen Blvd over to Luckie St up to Regents Dr and back down Marietta St. to Fairlie and over to Williams. Third, North Ave - Highland Ave - Ponce and 1 block on Myrtle back to North. Forth, one on W.Peachtree - 17th St - Spring St - North Ave. All great for development of course. They would have transfer stops coming within 1 block of the other loops and Marta stations. Just my 2 cents. The funding would be from various sources. I know there's planning happening but they need to ramp it up.

The way the current Streetcar plans are laid out, and for future plans, do all the routes have to be loops?

I don't know how it would be feasible to have 2-way Streetcar traffic on single tracks. I know the current route single tracks for a very brief section in the middle, so I guess they just take turns crossing that part.

Having the routes be loops seems like it kind of limits the distance / range possible. Cause who wants to get on a street car to go 3 stops away... but then to get back to your original departure point you have to ride the thing all the way around the rest of the 28 stops on the loop or whatever.