NEW YORK | 432 Park Avenue (Drake Hotel dev.) | (1,396) FT / 432 M | 89 FLOORS

[gramsjdg]

Originally Posted by aquablue

I doubt they get any where near 1700 feet. However, I wouldn't mind. Just not this design.

I'm going to hazard a guess that the 1700 ft version would have been wider, they certainly have the space to go wider if they wanted to. In fact, I suppose they could still go wider with the current plan if they wanted to.

[babybackribs2314]

Great to see the last of the townhomes come down (barring the acquisition of the other two). Wonder if we'll see the excavation nearly complete by this time next week? It has certainly progressed very quickly the past few days.

[babybackribs2314]

DID SOME DIGGING

Result is my new blog post:

http://newyorkyimby.blogspot.com/201...ll-be-new.html

Read it and weep (or rejoice)

The documents reveal--for the first time--that the tower will consist of 90 floors. The diagrams also shed light on the future layout of 432 Park; instead of simply two buildings rising on the lot, there will be at least 3.

Teaser:



Image originally from the NYC DOB

[sw5710]

Look at the NYC DOB Zoom in. 1,379' 6'' tall!

[gramsjdg]

Originally Posted by sw5710

Look at the NYC DOB Zoom in. 1,379' 6'' tall!

Well, shorter than 1420 ft but taller than 1350... unless it has since been changed to 1420.

I think at least a lighted parapet or crown of some sort would be nice something around 50 or 60 feet.

[sw5710]

That is what i was thinking. Was 1,379' 6'' changed from the time these were done.

[pico44]

Ugh, I don't like it one bit. One thing New York does so much better than any other American city is its streetwalls. Vinoly just doesn't seem to give a shit. Blank walls be damned. And can;t we get a twist, or a torque or a bulge or undulations? Strict modernist boxes had a time and place. And that time was long ago.

[hunser]

A DOB height of 1,379' 6'' means the last occupied floor is at that height. So the tower could still break the 1,400ft mark. But in any case it will be over 400m tall!
Btw I'm more surprised about the floor count, I mean only 90 floors... the ceiling height must be pretty big then! Nearly every 400m+ tower out there has at least 100 floors...

EDIT: seems like the 1,380 figure is indeed the final height...








Top floor is 89th, the roof being labeled as floor 90.
Anyway, NY is getting a 420m tower!!


Change thread title please.

[lakegz]

93 feet wide eh? How does this compare with the width of the Dubai Marina towers?

[sbarn]

Originally Posted by lakegz

93 feet wide eh? How does this compare with the width of the Dubai Marina towers?

I don't understand the driveway, it seems so un-New York. I hope that doesn't count as their "publicly accessible open space".

[lakegz]

maybe they had One Beacon Court in mind when they planned the driveway. Hey the rich gotta show off their wheels and drive up in style.

Edit: (be driven up in style)

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by babybackribs2314

DID SOME DIGGING

Result is my new blog post:

http://newyorkyimby.blogspot.com/201...ll-be-new.html

Image originally from the NYC DOB

Good work... More pieces to the puzzle.

Looks like those mechanical levels will have some outdoor space for residents, and the sublevels are revealed.

More captures...

[Crawford]

So if DOB lists at 1380 ft., then 1420 ft. sounds about right. DOB numbers will always be slightly less than overall building height, because of their different standards.

But who knows. The developer can always submit amendments to building height, so it could get taller or shorter.

[RobertWalpole]

It's called 432 Park, which is not its address, for a reason. That being said, it can still grow.

[yankeesfan1000]

Still disappointed in no crown or anything. But still, a new tallest building in NY by roof height sounds pretty good to me.

[gramsjdg]

Ok- I didn't see the 93 foot width... That is actually SUBSTANTIALLY wider than we originally thought. That is very good news and brings the height to width ratio down to a more reasonable 14.8 to 1 from the 19 to 1 we originally thought was the case for a ~70 foot wide footprint.

Good news!

[Towersteve]

Originally Posted by Crawford

So if DOB lists at 1380 ft., then 1420 ft. sounds about right. DOB numbers will always be slightly less than overall building height, because of their different standards.

But who knows. The developer can always submit amendments to building height, so it could get taller or shorter.

Hopefully this will break the seal in NY about buildings not being taller than the ESB in midtown. I wish they could still build Tower Verre at 1,250 feet as it was intended.

[RobertWalpole]

Originally Posted by gramsjdg

Ok- I didn't see the 93 foot width... That is actually SUBSTANTIALLY wider than we originally thought. That is very good news and brings the height to width ratio down to a more reasonable 14.8 to 1 from the 19 to 1 we originally thought was the case for a ~70 foot wide footprint.

Good news!

The 19:1 ratio comes directly from the architect.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by RobertWalpole

The 19:1 ratio comes directly from the architect.

So if 19:1 is the correct ratio, and we know the allowable floor area is fixed, perhaps the 1700 ft. version is to be built.

The taller version would necessitate a smaller footprint.

[aquablue]

Originally Posted by Crawford

So if 19:1 is the correct ratio, and we know the allowable floor area is fixed, perhaps the 1700 ft. version is to be built.

The taller version would necessitate a smaller footprint.

The diagram states that we are getting the shorter version.