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Old Posted Nov 6, 2023, 2:02 AM
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Halifax being one of the fastest growing metros lately must have really hit a nerve with parts of Canada.



Nobody paid attention to the east coast for years, and now that it's leading the country in growth some of this country can't accept it. Having a decent metro on the East Coast of Canada is good for this country.

Some days I think we should have joined the 13 colonies instead of being one of the founding provinces of Confederation. Boston and Halifax are more friendly.
Eh. Somebody said that Halifax was the bigger city, so I countered with some census numbers that suggested otherwise. Then somebody came back and said Halifax is now at 700 000, so yeah, that would make Halifax much bigger than Victoria.
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LOL at Halifax being more prominent than Victoria because it has 20,000 more people. Victoria is the capital of a much more economically advanced province, sees more tourists per year and has a much larger population surrounding. (Vancouver and Seattle within a two hour ferry ride) Hell, Vancouver island is practically the same population as Nova Scotia. Sounds like your hate for victoria is causing the riff, not the comparison.
Though the fact that Victoria is in BC also means that it is completely overshadowed by Vancouver.

When people think of a city in BC, 99% of the time they think of Vancouver.

When people think of a city in Nova Scotia or even Atlantic Canada, they generally think of Halifax first.
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LOL at Halifax being more prominent than Victoria because it has 20,000 more people. Victoria is the capital of a much more economically advanced province, sees more tourists per year and has a much larger population surrounding. (Vancouver and Seattle within a two hour ferry ride) Hell, Vancouver island is practically the same population as Nova Scotia. Sounds like your hate for victoria is causing the riff, not the comparison.
Sounds like you're reading more into the discussion that what was actually said while keeping something going that would otherwise be done and over with. Best not to make assumptions about people's feelings or motivations, especially people you know little to nothing about.
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It's awesome to see the East Coast leading the pack! I can see Halifax having greater population growth for than Victoria at least the next decade, after that it's hard to predict the future. It wasn't that long ago that people were predicting Saskatoon and Regina would surpass Victoria during the 2020's - which would equally as good for the country.

Even though Victoria was one of the fastest growing metro in the country I can't see it keeping up with the East Coast until there is more parity in housing costs - which has never been the case in my lifetime. With Victoria home prices double that of Halifax there's no driver other than the larger population of BC to drive higher growth rates.

As for the comparisons I don't get the big deal or why people get their knickers in a knot over it. It's a fair thing to raise, and if nothing else it gives someone123, myself and others the opportunity to explain a bit more about the our cities that others may not know about realize. I mean why wouldn't you initially compare the only two Canadian cities that are very similar in population, are home to the old two naval bases in Canada, both have maritime industry, fishing, tourism, are provincial capitals, have marine climates, have similar sized downtowns, strong post secondary institutions, historic cores with significant new construction downtown, both don't have LRT.. Comparing doesn't mean the cities are the same, in fact its a way of finding out how they're different as well as seeing if there are lessons that can be learned from one another. In this regard the anger at MattBerry is rather rude to be honest, and he was only calling out a comment that a younger slightly smaller city must always defer and be subservient to a older larger city.
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The Halifax-Victoria comparison seems to be one of SSP's favourite hobby horses for some reason. It's like our very own version of Godwin's law - sooner or later, every discussion will turn to: are Victoria and Halifax similar?

I think they make good antipodes to each other as similarly sized cities on either end of the country (and both good examples of successful, smaller urban environments); but beyond that the similarities seem to be made more along the lines of a checklist of superficial criteria than they are a comparison of the actual look, feel, function, and character of the places.
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It's awesome to see the East Coast leading the pack! I can see Halifax having greater population growth for than Victoria at least the next decade, after that it's hard to predict the future. It wasn't that long ago that people were predicting Saskatoon and Regina would surpass Victoria during the 2020's - which would equally as good for the country.

Even though Victoria was one of the fastest growing metro in the country I can't see it keeping up with the East Coast until there is more parity in housing costs - which has never been the case in my lifetime. With Victoria home prices double that of Halifax there's no driver other than the larger population of BC to drive higher growth rates.

As for the comparisons I don't get the big deal or why people get their knickers in a knot over it. It's a fair thing to raise, and if nothing else it gives someone123, myself and others the opportunity to explain a bit more about the our cities that others may not know about realize. I mean why wouldn't you initially compare the only two Canadian cities that are very similar in population, are home to the old two naval bases in Canada, both have maritime industry, fishing, tourism, are provincial capitals, have marine climates, have similar sized downtowns, strong post secondary institutions, historic cores with significant new construction downtown, both don't have LRT.. Comparing doesn't mean the cities are the same, in fact its a way of finding out how they're different as well as seeing if there are lessons that can be learned from one another. In this regard the anger at MattBerry is rather rude to be honest, and he was only calling out a comment that a younger slightly smaller city must always defer and be subservient to a older larger city.
Actually he didn't mention anything about that. He just insulted me by saying I spend too much time on the internet because he didn't like the annoyance I expressed at the frequency of such comparisons. A conversation that he had nothing to do with and that had already been resolved. Cold and I don't have any history of conflict and when he said he didn't mean it to be annoying I believed him. People were "rude" to Matt (not really) because he made personal insults toward someone he doesn't know and wasn't speaking with which was off topic which needlessly prolonged and escalated the conflict.

And frankly, people from most cities don't generally like hearing statements they consider inaccurate being made about their city. And implying two things X & Y are similar when they aren't means that X, Y or both are being portrayed inaccurately. In the case of Halifax, while everyone from here is different I think many of us value the city's rough, slightly gritty, old east coast vibe. Superficial comparisons to a place we view as being quite different kind of erases a lot of what we consider the most relevant and valued traits. It has nothing to do with liking or disliking the other place. Sort of like when Asians or Black people get annoyed when someone says they're similar to another person of the same race who, beyond being the same race, isn't very similar to them. It has nothing to do with disliking the person they're being compared with.
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I appreciate the condescending tone whipper. Great online persona you have. Gotta love internet culture, each corner has its gatekeepers. Seems I have found one of this websites. I suppose if you talk in circles for decades on a dusty forum sharing tens of thousands of comments you must get irritated by people discussing something that you have seen before.
Thanks. It's so underappreciated compared to population and population growth.

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Actually he didn't mention anything about that. He just insulted me by saying I spend too much time on the internet because he didn't like the annoyance I expressed at the frequency of such comparisons. A conversation that he had nothing to do with and that had already been resolved. Cold and I don't have any history of conflict and when he said he didn't mean it to be annoying I believed him. People were "rude" to Matt (not really) because he made personal insults toward someone he doesn't know and wasn't speaking with which was off topic which needlessly prolonged and escalated the conflict.

And frankly, people from most cities don't generally like hearing statements they consider inaccurate being made about their city. And implying two things X & Y are similar when they aren't means that X, Y or both are being portrayed inaccurately. In the case of Halifax, while everyone from here is different I think many of us value the city's rough, slightly gritty, old east coast vibe. Superficial comparisons to a place we view as being quite different kind of erases a lot of what we consider the most relevant and valued traits. It has nothing to do with liking or disliking the other place. Sort of like when Asians or Black people get annoyed when someone says they're similar to another person of the same race who, beyond being the same race, isn't very similar to them. It has nothing to do with disliking the person they're being compared with.
So why were you saying you weren't annoyed again?

And holy hell, equating casual racism to people comparing cities. What a comment.
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Thanks. It's so underappreciated compared to population and population growth.

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Haven't seen noob used in a decade. Feel like I'm back in grade school.

Apologies (not really) for not knowing that Victoria-Halifax was a contentious topic here. What a strange little community.
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The Halifax-Victoria comparison seems to be one of SSP's favourite hobby horses for some reason. It's like our very own version of Godwin's law - sooner or later, every discussion will turn to: are Victoria and Halifax similar?

I think they make good antipodes to each other as similarly sized cities on either end of the country (and both good examples of successful, smaller urban environments); but beyond that the similarities seem to be made more along the lines of a checklist of superficial criteria than they are a comparison of the actual look, feel, function, and character of the places.

Both great cities, both capitals of some vintage distinction, Halifax has always been larger than Victoria AFAIK. But especially now, Halifax is larger, not just with the recent trend, but with it's huge bigly geographical area, taking in a large and bigly part of the province, it has lots of room for expansion. Touristy Peggy's Cove to the west is in Halifax, as is Moser River to the east; they are a 2 hr 30 minute drive from each other.
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Both need CFL teams.

More pics, less bitching
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So why were you saying you weren't annoyed again?

I didn't say I wasn't annoyed at this comment. I said I wasn't annoyed the first time I heard such a comment over a decade ago but became annoyed over time after hearing it repeatedly since then.

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And holy hell, equating casual racism to people comparing cities. What a comment.
In both cases people are seeing something superficial whether it be skin colour and hair texture or population size and ocean-side setting, while ignoring the more individual traits. I'm sure most people understood the point. You seem to be having some reading comprehension issues here so perhaps we should move on.
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All this Halifax-Victoria bickering (both great cities, IMO) has left me almost missing the old Montreal-Calgary wooty-woot slug-fests that used to take place on these hallowed pages. Almost, but not quite.
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All this Halifax-Victoria bickering (both great cities, IMO) has left me almost missing the old Montreal-Calgary wooty-woot slug-fests that used to take place on these hallowed pages. Almost, but not quite.
Several years later, Calgary still hasn't caught up to Montreal!
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Haven't seen noob used in a decade. Feel like I'm back in grade school.

Apologies (not really) for not knowing that Victoria-Halifax was a contentious topic here. What a strange little community.
noob is what you respond to for a guy that claims themselves as MattBerryOfficial?

60 posts and counting over what a strange community this is. We know it is. Our significant others tell us that. That you continue to post while berating the community each time is quite a session.
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Calgary, unfortunately, popped and the East exploded.

Stagnating market has them primed for a dramatic return. The timing is just really bad.
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noob is what you respond to for a guy that claims themselves as MattBerryOfficial?
Yeah it is. 15 year olds used noob in 2007. To use it in 2023 is something. Have a good day Snapper.
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If there's one thing I've learned in my noob-dom, its that never, under any circumstance, compare Halifax to anywhere else in Canada
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LOL You missed my point entirely. I'm not disagreeing with you. The noob was intentionally silly and a plant. The Hail Hydra is what should of connected. If I'm right, it's fucking pathetic that you claim to be British officially.
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