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BroadandMarket · #**101** Posted **Dec 5, 2023, 2:27 PM**

It's shocking how many people are still against this (not in this forum, but general NIMBYs). A security guard got stabbed to death at 11 AM across the street but Market East is doing just fine! Macy's closing would not be shocking at all. Build the arena. No one else is coming to put any money into this area and we'll be left with a dead mall. This thing is beautiful from street level. No blank walls on any side. Truly a game changer for a struggling area. This is a massive win for Septa and safety.

aprice1828 · #**102** Posted **Dec 5, 2023, 3:22 PM**

I'm actually really disappointed by the integration with Jefferson Station, with only three doors (one double door and one single door) providing interior access between the two. And with security being at building entry, regional rail users will likely have to go outside to get in line anyway. Comparing this with Boston's North Station / TD Garden where turnstiles and the escalators up to the arena are about 25' from each other with no doors at all.

I wouldn't be surprised if SEPTA was pretty stubborn on this one but it would have been nice to see a new grand, open set of escalators down to the Jefferson Station concourse in the middle of the Filbert lobby conveying "hey regional rail is right here". We're getting a new set of doors to the 10th & Filbert vestibule and that's the extent of the Jefferson Station upgrades (apart from any new finishes, hopefully).

Londonee · #**103** Posted **Dec 5, 2023, 6:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by BroadandMarket

It's shocking how many people are still against this (not in this forum, but general NIMBYs). A security guard got stabbed to death at 11 AM across the street but Market East is doing just fine! Macy's closing would not be shocking at all. Build the arena. No one else is coming to put any money into this area and we'll be left with a dead mall. This thing is beautiful from street level. No blank walls on any side. Truly a game changer for a struggling area. This is a massive win for Septa and safety.

There's a lot of young student engagement too - from Penn/Temple - which is funny b/c by the time this arena is built in 8 years 90% of them will be long gone.

Honestly, if the Inky just stopped writing an article about this project every 2 weeks it would probably slowly fade away. They are almost single-handedly giving the opposition side a platform. Basically any two-bit fringe group is getting a mega-phone and an overwrought headline: "Local Groups Voice Concerns Over New Arena" - has been a headline like 37 times thus far.

PHLtoNYC · #**104** Posted **Dec 5, 2023, 6:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Londonee

There's a lot of young student engagement too - from Penn/Temple - which is funny b/c by the time this arena is built in 8 years 90% of them will be long gone.

Honestly, if the Inky just stopped writing an article about this project every 2 weeks it would probably slowly fade away. They are almost single-handedly giving the opposition side a platform. Basically any two-bit fringe group is getting a mega-phone and an overwrought headline: "Local Groups Voice Concerns Over New Arena" - has been a headline like 37 times thus far.

Most of those articles are written by 24 year old Massarah Mikati. Her role is covering immigrants and communities of color on The Philadelphia Inquirer's new Communities and Engagement Desk.

Unfortunately, it's her job to create outrage.

El Duderino · #**105** Posted **Dec 5, 2023, 9:01 PM**

A summary from Naked Philly on the master plans:

Oh, the Intrigue! Diving Deep into the New Master Plan, Special Meetings for 76 Place Arena
https://www.ocfrealty.com/naked-phil...6-place-arena/
Naked Philly, 12/5/2023

Ahoi · #**106** Posted **Dec 11, 2023, 11:58 PM**

https://www.phila.gov/media/20231204...er-18-2023.pdf

https://www.phila.gov/media/20231207...Checklists.pdf

summersm343 · #**107** Posted **Dec 12, 2023, 12:09 AM**

^^Thank you. From the CDR Submissions for December
https://www.phila.gov/departments/ph...blic-meetings/

summersm343 · #**108** Posted **Dec 12, 2023, 2:18 AM**

Sixers' new parking plan, partnership aims to alleviate Center City congestion concerns around proposed arena

Article behind paywall here:
https://www.bizjournals.com/philadel...-proposal.html

summersm343 · #**109** Posted **Dec 12, 2023, 2:20 AM**

Sixers arena town hall meeting gets contentious with some opponents temporarily removed

Article behind paywall here:
https://www.bizjournals.com/philadel...ntentious.html

summersm343 · #**110** Posted **Dec 12, 2023, 2:37 AM**

Design of Sixers’ proposed Center City arena to be vetted in special city meeting

Article behind paywall here:
https://www.bizjournals.com/philadel...l-meeting.html

summersm343 · #**111** Posted **Dec 19, 2023, 7:18 PM**

Sixers’ arena proposal faces hours of scrutiny in its first official city review

Read/view more here:
https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate...-20231218.html

summersm343 · #**112** Posted **Dec 19, 2023, 7:23 PM**

‘Missed opportunity’: City sends Sixers arena design back to developers for changes

Article behind paywall here:
https://www.bizjournals.com/philadel...gn-review.html

Gatorade_Jim · #**113** Posted **Dec 20, 2023, 2:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

‘Missed opportunity’: City sends Sixers arena design back to developers for changes

Article behind paywall here:
https://www.bizjournals.com/philadel...gn-review.html

Interesting. The criticism referenced in the article is good. I think the project as-is is dramatically better than what its replacing, but I think a redesign that focuses more on making it a destination during non-events can only improve it. Seems like the train is rolling towards this thing getting built. Can't wait to see some official decisions get made this next year.

PHLtoNYC · #**114** Posted **Jan 18, 2024, 8:17 PM**

I am not arguing for or against the arena, but this Q&A contains a whole lot of contractions in terms of the arena, the expressway cap and the "plan" for Chinatown...

'It’s so far out there': Business leader John Chin on why the Sixers arena proposal doesn't fit Chinatown
https://www.bizjournals.com/philadel...n-676-cap.html

BroadandMarket · #**115** Posted **Jan 18, 2024, 8:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

I am not arguing for or against the arena, but this Q&A contains a whole lot of contractions in terms of the arena, the expressway cap and the "plan" for Chinatown...

'It’s so far out there': Business leader John Chin on why the Sixers arena proposal doesn't fit Chinatown
https://www.bizjournals.com/philadel...n-676-cap.html

John Chin and Chinatown Development Corp were also against this totally appropriate apartment building at 13th and Summer Street.

“This is not consistent with our vision for the neighborhood,” said John Chin, executive director of the Philadelphia Chinatown Development Corporation (PCDC). “Our vision for the area is really to have more permanent housing for families.” link

So PCDC is a sham who actually wants to stifle any development whatsoever? They'd prefer Chinatown to be all run down trash filled parking lots. Also, the arena is not in Chinatown. I can't wait until this arena is done so I can stop hearing about how it's going to ruin the worst area of center city aka Market East.

Here's another gem John Chin quote from the PBJ article:
"Right now there’s 8,000 people that live in the Chinatown area. This is not enough to sustain the over 200 businesses in Chinatown. That’s why they have to rely on outside visitors."
- John Chin

hmm...if only there was some type of apartment tower/large entertainment building that could bring in outside visitors to the area. He sounds stupid.

Septa is falling off a financial cliff but let's reject a new building that would bring in around 1 million new paid Septa trips per year. You have 41 76ers games per year. Call it 50 with preseason and post season. Then you have at least 50 concerts and other events. So super conservatively its 100 events per year. If only 30% of attendees take Septa, that's 5400 per game, 540,000 per year, times two for the return trip...1,080,000. Obviously there's people who take Septa to the game now and 30% is just a guess but you get the point. It's a lot of new PAID riders at non peak times. This is money for Septa that did not exist before. It's non peak foot traffic desperately needed at 13th, 11th and 8th street stations. Build it.

Source:
https://www.inquirer.com/news/long-t...-20230223.html

ok-ez · #**116** Posted **Jan 18, 2024, 9:27 PM**

chinatown is not unique in their center city nimbyism, old city, society hill etc manage to stifle many developments. It's crazy Septa is broke the El is nuts crowded every day. So much so I think the city needs to take the breaks on riverwards development and incentivize N. Broad development. Subway north of broad gets pretty empty often

BroadandMarket · #**117** Posted **Jan 18, 2024, 9:56 PM**

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chinatown is not unique in their center city nimbyism, old city, society hill etc manage to stifle many developments. It's crazy Septa is broke the El is nuts crowded every day. So much so I think the city needs to take the breaks on riverwards development and incentivize N. Broad development. Subway north of broad gets pretty empty often

There are absolutely NIMBYS in those neighborhoods but nowhere in Old City or Society Hill or anywhere else in Center City are as run down as the area from 13th and Vine to 8th and Vine. It is the worst area in all of Center City. Yes, it's mostly from 676 but that doesn't mean we can't ever improve these ugly surface lots. 11th and Market to 8th and Market and surrounding blocks are also not great.

Also John Chin should be against the Chinatown Stitch 676 cap because that will 100% have more gentrification effect on Chinatown than the arena ever will. Vine street will be lined with brand new apartments.

TK2001 · #**118** Posted **Jan 18, 2024, 10:14 PM**

The Philadelphia Inquirer posted on Instagram that citizens of Washington Square West are now in outrage over the project, and have casted their votes. I thought the problem was that it was in Chinatown. Does anyone even know what they are arguing about anymore??

BroadandMarket · #**119** Posted **Jan 19, 2024, 2:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by TK2001

The Philadelphia Inquirer posted on Instagram that citizens of Washington Square West are now in outrage over the project, and have casted their votes. I thought the problem was that it was in Chinatown. Does anyone even know what they are arguing about anymore??

People in Philadelphia are afraid of change and hate big ideas. Big city with small city mentality.

UrbanRevival · #**120** Posted **Jan 19, 2024, 3:07 PM**

Why don't the 76ers pony up at least half the money for the Chinatown Stitch?

I'm seeing an estimated total project cost of $160 million, whereas the 76ers pull in at least $300 million in annual revenue (based on a cursory Internet search; could be off), and that's before they build a new stadium.

I can't be the only person to have such a common sense idea. It would go a long way as good will towards Chinatown and probably earn them a lot of proponents in the community.