New Gatineau Hospital | Proposed

[Harley613]

I'm going to be so pissed if they go with the worst location of them all. Hautes Plaines would be a travesty.

[J.OT13]

Pretty insulting that the CAQ refuses to listen to its citizens and do what's best for each region, and then go and claim that they consulted with the public.

[Acajack]

Unconfirmed, but ... merde.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle...medium=twitter

[SL123]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Unconfirmed, but ... merde.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle...medium=twitter

ahaha so its basically gonna be the Chelsea General Hospital. It might be easier for Aylmer people to take the champlain bridge up Island Park and down carling.

[Harley613]

This is preposterous.

[J.OT13]

They promised to build a hospital within 5 years. Instead, they managed to take 4 years to select the worst possible location west of the Gatineau River.

This is either a delay tactic ("we can't build it because of detractors!") or a way to close the only functional hospital in the Outaouais, Wakefield Hospital ("can't have two hospitals so close to one another").

I was hoping that the delay was too reconsider since literally everyone outside the Government in Quebec wants a downtown hospital, but apparently not.

[Artking]

This can explain everything.

19 mars 2022
Mis à jour à 9h34
La carte cachée du MTQ dans le dossier du futur hôpital de Gatineau

Mathieu Bélanger
MATHIEU BÉLANGER
Le Droit

Depuis plus de 50 ans, le gouvernement du Québec conserve jalousement les emprises qui lui permettraient d’aménager une troisième autoroute urbaine en Outaouais, la 550, mieux connue sous le nom de «Corridor Deschênes». La construction du futur Centre hospitalier affilié universitaire de l’Outaouais (CHAUO) sur le site du boulevard de la Technologie, comme l’a avancé Le Droit dans son édition de vendredi, pourrait devenir le signal de départ pour la planification de ce nouveau lien autoroutier reliant la 50 à la 5.

En consultant les cartes «Future autoroute Deschênes» produites par le ministère des Transports du Québec (MTQ) en 2007, et «Emprises du corridor Deschênes» datant de 2017, on s’aperçoit que son tracé permettrait de desservir directement le futur hôpital. L’emprise du MTQ (en rouge sur la carte ci-jointe) ne serait qu’à quelques centaines de mètres de la porte d’entrée du centre hospitalier. Évidemment, l’infrastructure routière exigerait la construction d’un nouveau pont pour enjamber la rivière Gatineau à proximité de la centrale des Rapides-Farmer. Dans la planification d’origine, le corridor Deschênes devait continuer à travers le parc de la Gatineau, bifurquer un peu à l’ouest du chemin Vanier, pour se rendre jusqu’à la rivière des Outaouais en traversant directement dans la forêt Boucher.

Depuis, le MTQ a laissé entendre qu’il n’avait pas l’intention de passer à travers la forêt Boucher, et il ne possède pas les emprises pour traverser le parc de la Gatineau. À plusieurs reprises, il a cependant répété que le corridor est «un actif important pour le développement du réseau routier de la région». Les acquisitions de terrain pour cette autoroute ont été faites plusieurs années avant l’adoption de la Loi sur l’aménagement et l’urbanisme (LAU) en 1979. À l’époque, c’est le MTQ qui était responsable de l’aménagement du territoire au Québec.

À notre connaissance, personne, au gouvernement du Québec, n’a récemment évoqué la réalisation prochaine de ce nouveau lien autoroutier dans le contexte de la construction du futur centre hospitalier. Des intervenants interpellés par Le Droit n’hésitent toutefois pas avancer que sa construction deviendra «fort probable» avant longtemps, voire que «ça viendra forcément avec l’hôpital».

L’urbaniste et directeur de l’Observatoire de développement de l’Outaouais à l’Université du Québec (UQO), Mario Gauthier, a été surpris de découvrir les détails du tracé du corridor Deschênes. «Sans être dans le secret des dieux, il me semble bien clair, quand on regarde le développement du territoire, la localisation possible du futur hôpital qui est nettement en périphérie du territoire métropolitain, sur un site qui n’est pas desservi par le transport en commun, quand on regarde l’emprise du MTQ, il est fort probable que Québec envisage d’aménager ce lien autoroutier.»


Sur cette carte, on distingue très bien, en rouge, le «corridor Deschesne».

https://www.ledroit.com/2022/03/19/l...1a53176779d1f8

[J.OT13]

But why!!! That highway is only necessary if the hospital is built in this area. No one wants the hospital there, so let's save (or re-invest) the $500 million by building the hospital where everyone wants it.

What a stupid reason!!

Again... C.L.I.M.A.T.E. C.H.A.N.G.E. Let's not build new highways just for fun and encourage, NAY, FORCE people to drive. Build critical infrastructure like hospitals on transit lines and near existing highways (for ambulances and those who absolutely have to drive).

[Aylmer]

It's a good thing we're spending a billion dollars to save a few million in decontamination.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Artking

This can explain everything.



https://www.ledroit.com/2022/03/19/l...1a53176779d1f8

Would the NCC allow s new freeway to bisect the park?

Not sure why there is so much hate for this location. The 5 is way under capacity so would be a super quick shot from anywhere along the 5 or 50. By car even from Aylmer even it's probably as fast as most downtown locations The whole public transport to a hospital thing seems overblown. A truly downtown location would add a lot of buzz but anything more the a few km away will end up being a drive to location anyway.

[Horus]

The proposed location is at least an additional 10 min drive from Aylmer compared to the current Hull hospital. Capacity on the A5 is irrelevant since the highway is so poorly accessible for Aylmer and large swaths of Hull

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Horus

The proposed location is at least an additional 10 min drive from Aylmer compared to the current Hull hospital. Capacity on the A5 is irrelevant since the highway is so poorly accessible for Aylmer and large swaths of Hull

More like 5. In 10 you can make it all the way to Chelsea from the Hull hospital. Meanwhile for most other locations it will be quicker. I mean it will be super car oriented obviously but otherwise very accessible.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

More like 5. In 10 you can make it all the way to Chelsea from the Hull hospital. Meanwhile for most other locations it will be quicker. I mean it will be super car oriented obviously but otherwise very accessible.

That's precisely the problem; if you're driving, it's not that bad. But this forces everyone to drive. We should not be building car-oriented public institutions anymore. And this hospital is supposed to be a teaching hospital with a university campus. Are we expecting students to buy cars just to get to school/work placements? And what about other people who don't have a car? Or can't afford $12+ of parking.

It should be accessible by rapid transit, not a second rate bus transfer.

We also need to think about ambulance access. This is one of the furthest points to the centre of population. When it comes to rushing someone to a hospital, 5 minutes can make a difference.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Artking

This can explain everything.



https://www.ledroit.com/2022/03/19/l...1a53176779d1f8

I mean, it is a possibility but this article is extremely speculative.

If highway expansion is even part of the calculation at this point it has to be an "in case we need it" thing as opposed to something that's driving the site choice.

There will be transportation infrastructure costs associated with this site (or any site) but I've never heard of a new 15-20 km autoroute worth hundreds of millions of dollars built just for or even primarily or partly for a hospital. Any hospital.

Think of how many other highways that would need to get built (with multiple origins and destinations involved) and which haven't been built yet.

It's possible at some point in the future I guess, MTQ has tons of other stuff on its plate before it gets to prioritizing something like this.

[Acajack]

Still with the location, based on Radio-Canada this morning someone seems to think they've found its Achilles heel. (I don't like the location either, BTW.)

So this morning I heard that this location might be... racist to black people.

Because black people are a big share of hospital staff and apparently black people (or at least lots of them) can't have or don't have cars.

[TheBrain]

Here is the land the MTQ owns.­..
Interesting theory about the hospital and highway. Can't imagine them actually going through with a highway there.
The uproar would crazy. Not just on the Chelsea side either, on the Gatineau/Limbour side they have a well developped network of trails in the woods that belong to the MTQ that are well loved by everyone there.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by TheBrain

Here is the land the MTQ owns.­..
Interesting theory about the hospital and highway. Can't imagine them actually going through with a highway there.
The uproar would crazy. Not just on the Chelsea side either, on the Gatineau/Limbour side they have a well developped network of trails in the woods that belong to the MTQ that are well loved by everyone there.

The corridor is literally at the edge of the backyard of one of my best friends.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

That's precisely the problem; if you're driving, it's not that bad. But this forces everyone to drive. We should not be building car-oriented public institutions anymore. And this hospital is supposed to be a teaching hospital with a university campus. Are we expecting students to buy cars just to get to school/work placements? And what about other people who don't have a car? Or can't afford $12+ of parking.

It should be accessible by rapid transit, not a second rate bus transfer.

We also need to think about ambulance access. This is one of the furthest points to the centre of population. When it comes to rushing someone to a hospital, 5 minutes can make a difference.

In fairness, even if I am not crazy about this location, none of Ottawa's major hospitals are on rapid transit either.

Pretty sure it's also the case for most of them in Montreal and Toronto as well.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Still with the location, based on Radio-Canada this morning someone seems to think they've found its Achilles heel. (I don't like the location either, BTW.)

So this morning I heard that this location might be... racist to black people.

Because black people are a big share of hospital staff and apparently black people (or at least lots of them) can't have or don't have cars.

Well, ya. This site is discriminatory to people who don't have cars, and the black population are disproportionately represented in that category. That might not have been the CAQ's intention, they just don't care about anyone who doesn't have a car, regardless of race. But that doesn't make it ok. This falls in the definition of "Systemic Racism" that Legault so passionately claims does not exist.

Originally Posted by TheBrain

Here is the land the MTQ owns.­..
Interesting theory about the hospital and highway. Can't imagine them actually going through with a highway there.
The uproar would crazy. Not just on the Chelsea side either, on the Gatineau/Limbour side they have a well developped network of trails in the woods that belong to the MTQ that are well loved by everyone there.

This area is not CAQ controlled, so they don't care. The highway would benefit CAQ ridings in the east.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Acajack

In fairness, even if I am not crazy about this location, none of Ottawa's major hospitals are on rapid transit either.

Pretty sure it's also the case for most of them in Montreal and Toronto as well.

The newest Ottawa hospital (the General) was completed in 1980. Just because transit was not part of the conversation in the 20th Century doesn't mean we can ignore that now.

The new Civic will be on rapid transit. Most hospitals in Toronto are on the University subway line. The CHUM and McGill University Health Centre are linked to the Metro. The new St. Paul in Vancouver will be near rapid transit. Most if not all of Edmonton's major hospitals will be linked by rapid transit within 10 years.

Although the connections to rapid transit may be imperfect in these examples, they are still within walking distance.