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Old Posted Jan 6, 2013, 7:47 PM
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Does anyone know how long Wilson Blanchard have owned the buildings?
I believe about 10 years.
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2013, 8:25 PM
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So what does beyond repair mean? Are the walls caving in but only on the upper floors?

I can't see how these buildings are any more far gone than say, the Hotel Hamilton, or the CBC building on James. Both of those were totally gutted down to the brickwork while being repurposed for their current uses. And both were completed by private developers without subsidies. I would like to hear from those developers on the issue of the Gore Park buildings.

The real issue with the buildings is that they don't fit Blanchard's business model that works well with larger buildings. He told Sean from Bikehounds in an interview that he wants one large tenant for the space, rather than several smaller ones. One big cheque every month. It is unfortunate that these comments never made it to public record because I think they betray the real, non-structural issues with saving these buildings. You can read the comments here: http://www.raisethehammer.org/comment/84538

Of course, it isn't impossible to create a large retail space within a row of commercial buildings. Actually it's pretty normal. Look at the Morgensterns clothing store on James for a good local example. 18-22 King St. was originally setup this way when it was built to house a dry goods warehouse.
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With the exception of brief gaps, the former Dominion Furniture building at James and Vine had been continually occupied for the last 60 years: From 1949 to the early 80s by its namesake firm, then owned and maintained to high standards from the late 1980s until around 2004 by Sam Sniderman, before a brief downshift to the Friendship Gift Shop. After the building was purchased a few years later for $700,000 by Bill Curran and Tim Potocic, there was additional work done to the tune of $3 million to $4 million in base building and office renovations. (Even then, they opted out of a true facade restoration, choosing instead to swap masks.)

Proportionately speaking, this seems as if it might be in the realm of Blanchard's ballparked $10 million for 18-28 King East. Or maybe it's way off base. It's hard to get a true apples-to-apples sense of project budget because there just aren't that many apples out there. Despite the ownership of older buildings by various entrepreneurs, there has been limited appetite for full-on heritage restoration in the city AFAIK. How many have had a professional brick repointing done, let alone attempt more intensive work such as cornice restoration?

I'm not at all encouraged by the preliminary napkin sketches and I would agree that the drama is being overplayed by the properties' owner, hopefully to the eventual benefit of these pre-Confederation buildings. I'm still reminded of Blanchard's comments to Paul Wilson back in October 2007: "They say there are technical problems and they can't do it. I don't believe it…. Take these good buildings, fix them up, keep the city ticking."

That said, the city has been woefully remiss in not designating these buildings.
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It is my hope that eventually Blanchard will agree to designate the buildings, which will open up a bunch of financial assistance to keep the facade.
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Another potential positive upshot of this debacle may be that the City feels compelled to clarify its heritage priorities. It would not surprise me to see them at least discuss the possibility of designating every building of architectural or historic interest in the Downtown Hamilton Community Improvement Project Area.
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Does anyone know how long Wilson Blanchard have owned the buildings?

I have been in the dance studio on the upper floors of the South Side Building. It is nice space. I can remember on many occasion last summer, hearing a band practising on the upper floors of the Studio 33 Building.

There is hardly enough square footage in those buildings to be afraid of a restoration. They have stood the test of time.
My sister used to go to drop in ballet classes in the dance studio. If Premi's offices are on the upper floors of one of the other buildings, are they a craphole?

I wonder if Blanchard would be willing to sell the buildings for something halfway reasonable? Looking at the footprint of the buildings, they are small compared to the entire space he controls, plus with his demolition by neglect of the one building, he has an entrance onto the Gore for whatever he's supposedly going to do with the lot behind. I'm sure Jeff Feswick could restore them easily, however he's pretty busy with Treble Hall as it is. Good thing Blanchard didn't pick that up.
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2013, 12:51 AM
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Looks like Jason Farr had a good meeting with Blanchard today. Farr will introduce a motion. I'm guessing to designate the building. Once designated a flood of grants will flow.
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With respect to the Gore Park street wall heritage preservation issue, I felt the meeting to be very productive.

As the ward Councillor, I was very appreciative that our Urban Renewal and Planning and Economic Development staff, along with the Chairperson of the Heritage Committee (Councillor McHattie) were present and of great assistance to the issue, but mostly that Mr. Blanchard (with his architect) attended and continues to work closely and openly with us, just as he has done from the onset.

It was, as anticipated, a great meeting.

The matter will be brought forward at Planning Committee on Tuesday. Details will emerge at that this time.

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Nice. I've always thought this was a power play by Blanchard. He's a developer, of course he's a player, but he's way better than some. What we'll get is a city contribution to preserving the facades or maybe a little sweetener on density or other variances.
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Power play or not, as long as the heritage features are protected AND a solid business plan emerges, I think everyone wins here. Really glad to see these talks happening. I was getting increasingly worried that this was gonna go down as another big Hamilton mistake.

Given all the other big things happening downtown right now, if this is done right it could be a huge success and another big push forward for downtown.
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Power play or not, as long as the heritage features are protected AND a solid business plan emerges, I think everyone wins here. Really glad to see these talks happening. I was getting increasingly worried that this was gonna go down as another big Hamilton mistake.

Given all the other big things happening downtown right now, if this is done right it could be a huge success and another big push forward for downtown.
Well stated matt602, couldn't have said it better myself.
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I definitely don't want to see that streetwall destroyed but what kind of city contribution is reasonable? Does anyone have any relative figures on preserving a facade of similar size?

I am just scared that if the city steps up with public money then the rest of the city will cry afoul and the city will back away, blanchard will get the demo permit and the city can say "well you cant say we didnt try, we arent the bad guys".
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It is my hope that eventually Blanchard will agree to designate the buildings, which will open up a bunch of financial assistance to keep the facade.
I'm convinced that this is WB's end goal. It makes sense that WB would manufacture a controversy (announcing the pending demolition before they really have a plan to rebuild, but after the city can do anything about it) in order to put pressure on council by riling up citizens. Their hope is that council eventually pays them off to keep the facades.

It's the same strategy that worked for Liuna with the Lister Block, and almost worked for the Ticats. Personally though, I think the city should find a way to delay the demolition permits indefinitely. Fight asshole behaviour with asshole behaviour.
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^It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Why wouldn't he have just gone to council and asked for help. Then if council said no he could have told them to go bugger themselves, threaten demolition, etc.

I don't understand manufacturing this sort of controversy.
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If I remember correctly, the demo permits had to be signed by a specific date unless Council stepped in. Wasn't that date the 11th?
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^It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Why wouldn't he have just gone to council and asked for help. Then if council said no he could have told them to go bugger themselves, threaten demolition, etc.

I don't understand manufacturing this sort of controversy.
By presenting the hard-line first, they appear strong in Negotiations. They present their opponents worst-outcome as a fait-accompli, and their opponents do whatever they can to avoid the hurt. Instead of begging Council, Council (Farr) comes to them to discuss money! This seems to be a fashionable way to negotiate these days (ask the NHL), and I hate it.
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Damn...I feel a little naive.
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@EmmaatTheSpec: @Councillor_Farr putting forward a motion today to save 18-22 King St. East but allow demolition of 24-28 King St. E in Gore Park #HamOnt
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