265 Catherine St [Former Greyhound terminal] | 110/117/127m | 32/34/36f | Site Prep - Page 6

1overcosc · #**101** Posted **Feb 20, 2015, 10:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hybrid247

That would be great but I think the idea of building it next to tremblay train station has great potential as well. If this same concept of building the station at the base of a tall building is used for that location, it could spring some TOD contruction which would bring more use to the oc transpo station, which is currently under-utilized IMO. Not to mention the benefit it brings to have the bus station immediately adjacent to the train station. It's not like the trip downtown on board the new LRT will be long either (less than 10 mins).

This is true, the train station will be highly accessible from the core once the Confederation Line is up and running. Right now with the Transitway it's a decently quick ride (only 5 minutes or so slower than what it will be with LRT), but it's infrequent outside of rush hour. From experience, in pretty much all off-peak time periods, even at relatively high frequency times like Saturday midday, it's common to have to wait 10-15 minutes for a bus at the train station. As for the transit-train integration, it's a mixed bag. On the one hand, the new LRT station will be a bit farther away, but it will no longer require crossing the taxi lane which the existing Transitway station does. In terms of protection it will remain the same, a covered oudoor connection.

The Tremblay area definitely has intensification potential. TOD in the area could be great, and a new bus terminal tower would be pretty cool. Still think it's a shame we can't do it in the CBD.

Hybrid247 · #**102** Posted **Feb 21, 2015, 3:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by 1overcosc

This is true, the train station will be highly accessible from the core once the Confederation Line is up and running. Right now with the Transitway it's a decently quick ride (only 5 minutes or so slower than what it will be with LRT), but it's infrequent outside of rush hour. From experience, in pretty much all off-peak time periods, even at relatively high frequency times like Saturday midday, it's common to have to wait 10-15 minutes for a bus at the train station. As for the transit-train integration, it's a mixed bag. On the one hand, the new LRT station will be a bit farther away, but it will no longer require crossing the taxi lane which the existing Transitway station does. In terms of protection it will remain the same, a covered oudoor connection.

The Tremblay area definitely has intensification potential. TOD in the area could be great, and a new bus terminal tower would be pretty cool. Still think it's a shame we can't do it in the CBD.

Ya me too. Out of all the crazy ambitious ideas I have for this city, that's 1 vision I can't even see as remotely possible to happening. Not in our lifetime at least. That's why I've been leaning towards the idea of putting the bus terminal at tremblay.

Catenary · #**103** Posted **Feb 21, 2015, 5:48 AM**

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Renderings of Toronto's future coach terminal at Bay & Front:

(Sources: Ivanhoe Cambridge, the developer)

Would be awesome if we could do the same. Downtown hub location with office tower on top. Of course it couldn't quite be the same because we don't have a downtown train station (this Toronto terminal will be immediately adjacent to the train station & have an indoor link to it).

It should be noted that that terminal is for GO Commuter buses, and although they say it could be used for inter-city, I don't think there are any plans for that yet.

1overcosc · #**104** Posted **Feb 22, 2015, 9:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Catenary

It should be noted that that terminal is for GO Commuter buses, and although they say it could be used for inter-city, I don't think there are any plans for that yet.

The Toronto coach terminal will be shut down and relocated here too, being a joint facility for GO & private intercity services. I believe the coach buses will move in here gradually over time (as opposed to GO which will relocate immediately) as the GO RER project eliminates GO buses downtown.

kevinbottawa · #**105** Posted **Dec 12, 2017, 8:30 AM**

Here's a student project from the Urban Design Awards. https://ottawa.ca/en/business/planni...-design-awards

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Award of Excellence: Student Projects
Inter-City Bus Terminal Redevelopment

This project proposes a redevelopment of the intercity bus station in Ottawa’s Centretown on its existing site within the Catherine Street Corridor. Immediately north of the prominent Highway-417, this area suffers from noise and air pollution, a lack of pedestrian-friendly streetscapes, vacant and deteriorating buildings, under-utilized properties, and little greenspace.

The student project proposes a sloping roof responds both to community access as well as contextual sensitivity, establishing a less imposing built form adjacent to the established low-rise residential communities. A linear public park is proposed on-site as a beneficial transition area between dense development and the established residential area. Transparent, open spaces define the most prominent programmes, with abundant glazing and high ceilings. Light filters into the building through a 3.5 storey skylight. The floor slabs are discernable through the façade, establishing exterior visible markers of the interplay of interior spaces. The cladding of the two towers establishes a parametric relationship based on proximity to the highway in an effort to control noise and air pollution. Additionally, vertical fins are strategically implemented for privacy and daylighting measures. As a notable feature and identifying landmark, the taller tower is crowned with a series of rotated floor plates, directing views towards the Parliament buildings.

Project Team

Justin Spec
McGill University
School of Architecture
Jury Comments

This project takes a typically problematic program (i.e. what to do with a city transit hub) and elegantly weaves together a new program while also creating a vibrant streetscape and adding density to an area. It’s a model that other cities grapple with and could be applied beyond Ottawa.

Uhuniau · #**106** Posted **Dec 12, 2017, 2:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by kevinbottawa

Here's a student project from the Urban Design Awards. https://ottawa.ca/en/business/planni...-design-awards

Yes, I always judge a bus station by the amount of greenspace it has.

FutureWickedCity · #**107** Posted **Dec 12, 2017, 4:07 PM**

Aww I got all excited for a second before I realized that this is just a student project and has low (no?) probability of actually happening. Our bus station is such an embarassment

mykl · #**108** Posted **Dec 12, 2017, 10:59 PM**

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Aww I got all excited for a second before I realized that this is just a student project and has low (no?) probability of actually happening. Our bus station is such an embarassment

Somehow our bus station is still better than Toronto's... bus station? nah, we're going to drop you off across the street!

Catenary · #**109** Posted **Dec 13, 2017, 6:22 AM**

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Somehow our bus station is still better than Toronto's... bus station? nah, we're going to drop you off across the street!

I don't know what's better; an underused, soulless facility like ours, or an overcapacity building that at least has some history and character like Toronto's.

roger1818 · #**110** Posted **Dec 13, 2017, 5:11 PM**

I wonder if a good idea would be to move the bus depot to the the block bounded by Albert, Slater, Bay and Lyon (it was one of the proposed locations for the new main library). This would put the depot right downtown an it would then only be 1 block away from the Lyon Station (and in construction they could potentially add a tunnel to the station).

Buses to and from the east could use Nicholas to Albert and Slater. Buses to and from the west could use Bronson to Albert and Slater.

The building could be mixed use with office space above.

c_speed3108 · #**111** Posted **Dec 13, 2017, 6:23 PM**

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I wonder if a good idea would be to move the bus depot to the the block bounded by Albert, Slater, Bay and Lyon (it was one of the proposed locations for the new main library). This would put the depot right downtown an it would then only be 1 block away from the Lyon Station (and in construction they could potentially add a tunnel to the station).

Buses to and from the east could use Nicholas to Albert and Slater. Buses to and from the west could use Bronson to Albert and Slater.

The building could be mixed use with office space above.

I believe the bus station used to be located on Albert street some place

11a2b3 · #**112** Posted **Sep 30, 2020, 6:51 PM**

Found this on reddit...

Greyhound broke their lease and moved out of the bus station
https://www.reddit.com/r/ottawa/comm..._the/?sort=new

613JL · #**113** Posted **Oct 15, 2020, 1:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by 11a2b3

Found this on reddit...

Greyhound broke their lease and moved out of the bus station
https://www.reddit.com/r/ottawa/comm..._the/?sort=new

Anyone have a rendering of what the bus station site development proposal looked like?

kevinbottawa · #**114** Posted **Oct 15, 2020, 1:40 AM**

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Anyone have a rendering of what the bus station site development proposal looked like?

This isn't the right thread, but here are a few.

eltodesukane · #**115** Posted **Oct 15, 2020, 12:10 PM**

Right now, is Greyhound still running?
Is there still bus service between Ottawa and Toronto?

J.OT13 · #**116** Posted **Oct 15, 2020, 1:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by eltodesukane

Right now, is Greyhound still running?
Is there still bus service between Ottawa and Toronto?

Due to the pandemic, intercity buses have all been canceled I believe. Trains, planes and automobiles only at the moment.

MountainView · #**117** Posted **Oct 15, 2020, 1:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by eltodesukane

Right now, is Greyhound still running?
Is there still bus service between Ottawa and Toronto?

I don't think so as Greyhound has the 'rights' to that route.

There is movement to in Ontario to deregulate the inter-city bus industry which would open the door for any operator to run any route they would like to. Ex) we could see MegaBus start the Toronto-Ottawa route.

Catenary · #**118** Posted **Oct 15, 2020, 4:04 PM**

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Due to the pandemic, intercity buses have all been canceled I believe. Trains, planes and automobiles only at the moment.

Greyhound isn't running, but other operators are. In Ottawa, Ontario Northland has maintained service along highway 17, and has grown out west with connections to Winnipeg since the pandemic started. In Ontario, Coach Canada/Megabus never suspended services.

It's really just Greyhound.

J.OT13 · #**119** Posted **Oct 15, 2020, 5:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Catenary

Greyhound isn't running, but other operators are. In Ottawa, Ontario Northland has maintained service along highway 17, and has grown out west with connections to Winnipeg since the pandemic started. In Ontario, Coach Canada/Megabus never suspended services.

It's really just Greyhound.

Thanks for the info.

eltodesukane · #**120** Posted **Oct 15, 2020, 6:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Catenary

In Ontario, Coach Canada/Megabus never suspended services.
It's really just Greyhound.

On their websites, Coach Canada and Megabus have nothing from Ottawa.
https://www.coachcanada.com/
https://ca.megabus.com/