HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > London > Transportation & Infrastructure


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #101  
Old Posted Jan 20, 2014, 1:32 AM
GreatTallNorth2 GreatTallNorth2 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,727
Quote:
Originally Posted by middeljohn View Post
Hi everyone, this is my first post.

As far as converting VMP to a freeway is concerned, I'm not sure what good it will do. It is way too far east of downtown (8km if I remember correctly) to be a faster option to get there. It would be beneficial for people trying to get to the north (assuming it gets extended to Fanshawe).

I live in SOHO and my preferred route for getting to the 401 - even when traveling west bound - is Hamilton to Highbury to 401. The stretch on Hamilton from Adelaide to Highbury is only 2km. From Wellington it's 3km. Converting the VMP would do nothing for the central part of the city however this isn't necessarily a bad thing either.

The city messed up when it didn't turn Highbury into a full freeway and now it's too late. I don't think I've been north of Huron in over 2 months now, just because it takes too long to get there. The only thing that the city can still fix road-wise is converting as many rail crossings to overpasses as soon as possible. The only major road that would be a problem is Richmond (the tracks would have to he moved below grade).

A lack of foresight led to no freeway and sparsely distributed overpasses, which I believe are the two primary reasons this city is now struggling to grow economically.
Welcome. Good thoughts except I disagree with building more overpasses because it ensures the trains will stay for good. London needs a bold plan to get the trains out of the city. Windsor got 1.4 billion for a new freeway. We could tap into the feds, province and train companies to get freight trains out of London.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #102  
Old Posted Jan 20, 2014, 1:40 AM
middeljohn middeljohn is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Burlington, ON
Posts: 1,681
Quote:
Originally Posted by GreatTallNorth2 View Post
Welcome. Good thoughts except I disagree with building more overpasses because it ensures the trains will stay for good. London needs a bold plan to get the trains out of the city. Windsor got 1.4 billion for a new freeway. We could tap into the feds, province and train companies to get freight trains out of London.
I don't particularly mind the trains themselves, even with my apartment rumbling a few times a day (I'm right beside a track). As long as it doesn't impede traffic then I'd be happy. However converting the tracks to pedestrian/cycling pathways would be awesome!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #103  
Old Posted Jan 20, 2014, 2:09 AM
Pimpmasterdac's Avatar
Pimpmasterdac Pimpmasterdac is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: London
Posts: 699
Weclome John!

I've always thought that myself too as VMP was only upgraded to a 4-lane road 8-9 years ago. Why it was never thought to expropriating property along Highbury from Hamilton to at least Dundas and making that a freeway, instead of the Airport Rd. Highbury is already used, it's within the city and used by both commuter and transport traffic, most of the bordering properties are pretty rundown. Alas not much can be done now..

Quote:
Originally Posted by middeljohn View Post
Hi everyone, this is my first post.

As far as converting VMP to a freeway is concerned, I'm not sure what good it will do. It is way too far east of downtown (8km if I remember correctly) to be a faster option to get there. It would be beneficial for people trying to get to the north (assuming it gets extended to Fanshawe).

I live in SOHO and my preferred route for getting to the 401 - even when traveling west bound - is Hamilton to Highbury to 401. The stretch on Hamilton from Adelaide to Highbury is only 2km. From Wellington it's 3km. Converting the VMP would do nothing for the central part of the city however this isn't necessarily a bad thing either.

The city messed up when it didn't turn Highbury into a full freeway and now it's too late.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #104  
Old Posted Feb 16, 2014, 6:11 AM
middeljohn middeljohn is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Burlington, ON
Posts: 1,681
After some further reconsideration, I don't think there is any point to converting VMP to a freeway now. At best it'll save 5 minites for people who drive the entire 9km stretch. What the city needs to do is make sure the development doesn't reach the road itself, so that once the density is there, and a freeway is justified in that area, it'll be simple to convert (ie. don't put yourself in a position where lots of land would have to be acquired later to do so - acquire the land now). Hopefully they learned from the Highbury disaster.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #105  
Old Posted Feb 20, 2014, 2:11 PM
MolsonExport's Avatar
MolsonExport MolsonExport is offline
Pass me the Vomit Bag.
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Otisburgh
Posts: 50,742
Highbury is just useless. Mostly a typical city road with a billion traffic lights, with a freeway stub, and then more traffic lights. Waste of time/money. Veterans should be extended north to Fanshawe or even Sunningdale. Sunningdale or Medway should be converted into an urban boulevard...some limited access, medians, but not overpasses, given extreme costs.
__________________
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. (Bertrand Russell). Sweet Loretta fart thought she was a cleaner, but she was a frying pan. (John Lennon)
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #106  
Old Posted Jun 9, 2015, 12:25 PM
haljackey's Avatar
haljackey haljackey is offline
User Registered
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: London, Ontario
Posts: 3,436
Question about the VMP's future came up yesterday on Reddit. Hopefully I got it right.

http://www.reddit.com/r/londonontario/comments/392wrb/vmpairport_road_future/
__________________
My Twitter

My Simcity Stuff
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #107  
Old Posted Jun 20, 2017, 4:22 PM
kaiserLDN kaiserLDN is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: London
Posts: 384
This is from City Of London website. Hopefully they save enough room for future interchanges.


Clarke Road Improvements

The City of London has retained Stantec Consulting Ltd., to undertake a Municipal Class Environmental Assessment (EA) Study for the anticipated widening of Clarke Road from the future VMP Extension to Fanshawe Park Road East. This project is being carried out under the planning and design process for a Schedule ‘C’ project as outlined in the Municipal Engineers Association’s Municipal Class Environmental Assessment. The Clarke Road widening project was identified as a priority in the 2030 Transportation Master Plan (TMP) as part of the reprioritization of growth management implementation strategy (GMIS) for transportation projects, as well as in the 2014 Development Charges Background Study (DCBS). The study will evaluate widening of Clarke Road to 4 lanes with considerations and protection for future widening.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #108  
Old Posted Jun 20, 2017, 4:51 PM
haljackey's Avatar
haljackey haljackey is offline
User Registered
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: London, Ontario
Posts: 3,436
Good foresight to get Clarke widened first before the VMP gets extended to it and dumps a lot of traffic on a 2 lane rural road.

Fanshawe east should get 4 lanes from Highbury to Clarke eventually too.

I'm assuming the northern VMP extension will be just 2 lanes for now. No need to make it 4 until a grade-separation at the rail crossing near Huron is built.

The southern VMP extension is going to be 4 lanes right away I think.
__________________
My Twitter

My Simcity Stuff
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #109  
Old Posted Jun 20, 2017, 6:57 PM
kaiserLDN kaiserLDN is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: London
Posts: 384
Quote:
Originally Posted by haljackey View Post
Good foresight to get Clarke widened first before the VMP gets extended to it and dumps a lot of traffic on a 2 lane rural road.

Fanshawe east should get 4 lanes from Highbury to Clarke eventually too.

I'm assuming the northern VMP extension will be just 2 lanes for now. No need to make it 4 until a grade-separation at the rail crossing near Huron is built.

The southern VMP extension is going to be 4 lanes right away I think.
I just hope when thinking about protecting property for future widening they think about protecting for interchanges so VMP keeps going north.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #110  
Old Posted Jun 21, 2017, 2:13 PM
kaiserLDN kaiserLDN is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: London
Posts: 384
A letter is out to residents in the area about VMP extension north which will be done in 2019. On the diagram it looks like it has Clarke Rd. curving into the VMP and stopping so the VMP can extend northward down the current Clarke rd. in a future phase. It says a public meeting will be held in the fall with the actual design.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #111  
Old Posted Jun 22, 2017, 9:46 PM
jammer139 jammer139 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: London
Posts: 8,835
Look no further then this past Mayor to see why London doesn't have a VMP freeway or ring road. Famous quote "We don't want the city to grow"

http://www.lfpress.com/2017/06/22/jane-bigelow-londons-first-female-mayor
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #112  
Old Posted Jun 23, 2017, 4:20 PM
kaiserLDN kaiserLDN is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: London
Posts: 384
Quote:
Originally Posted by jammer139 View Post
Look no further then this past Mayor to see why London doesn't have a VMP freeway or ring road. Famous quote "We don't want the city to grow"

http://www.lfpress.com/2017/06/22/jane-bigelow-londons-first-female-mayor
I wasn't around then but I heard how bad she was.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #113  
Old Posted Jun 29, 2017, 4:12 PM
kaiserLDN kaiserLDN is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: London
Posts: 384
A little bit more information on the VMP extension to Fanshawe Park Rd.

http://www.london.ca/residents/Environment/EAs/Documents/Clarke_Rd_Final_Study_Commencement.pdf
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #114  
Old Posted Jun 30, 2017, 12:51 PM
MolsonExport's Avatar
MolsonExport MolsonExport is offline
Pass me the Vomit Bag.
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Otisburgh
Posts: 50,742
but it is going to Clarke Rd. which intersects with Fanshawe pk rd. Thus the extension is to clarke.
__________________
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. (Bertrand Russell). Sweet Loretta fart thought she was a cleaner, but she was a frying pan. (John Lennon)
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #115  
Old Posted Jun 30, 2017, 2:52 PM
kaiserLDN kaiserLDN is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: London
Posts: 384
Quote:
Originally Posted by MolsonExport View Post
but it is going to Clarke Rd. which intersects with Fanshawe pk rd. Thus the extension is to clarke.
So to better understand between the 2019 project and this Clarke Rd. study above. The study says Clarke Rd. because that's what it is now. This Clarke rd. study is between the 2019 extension and Fansahwe park rd. On the actual new diagram for which I don't have the link for in the 2019 extension has Clarke rd curving east into VMP and stopping just past the VMP. So then that's when this study comes in for what happens past this interchange.

In these 2 older links of the VMP full build out to Clarke rd. it shows better the Clarke rd. interchange with the VMP

http://www.london.ca/residents/Environme...morialParkwayInterchangeBinder_Part4.pdf

http://www.london.ca/residents/Environme...morialParkwayInterchangeBinder_Part5.pdf
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #116  
Old Posted Jun 30, 2017, 2:58 PM
go_leafs_go02 go_leafs_go02 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: London, ON
Posts: 2,406
Quote:
Originally Posted by MolsonExport View Post
but it is going to Clarke Rd. which intersects with Fanshawe pk rd. Thus the extension is to clarke.
Partly correct. With the new London Plan, Clarke Road between the VMP and Fanshawe Park Road is classified as an Expressway, so it will be a freeway from 401 to Fanshawe.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #117  
Old Posted Jul 3, 2017, 12:36 AM
jammer139 jammer139 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: London
Posts: 8,835
Don't think your going to see a real expressway. The option died decades ago.

We now have a 4 lane primary road with street intersection traffic lights at every intersection. Even after extending it north from Huron and angling it over to meet Clarke Road south of the bridge it will still be a primary road.

No expressway/freeway unless every current level intersection gets a overpass bridge built.

Not very likely.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #118  
Old Posted Jul 3, 2017, 1:23 PM
manny_santos's Avatar
manny_santos manny_santos is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: New Westminster
Posts: 5,141
Quote:
Originally Posted by jammer139 View Post
Don't think your going to see a real expressway. The option died decades ago.

We now have a 4 lane primary road with street intersection traffic lights at every intersection. Even after extending it north from Huron and angling it over to meet Clarke Road south of the bridge it will still be a primary road.

No expressway/freeway unless every current level intersection gets a overpass bridge built.

Not very likely.
What I've heard is that overpasses are a long term plan. So not in the next 20 years, but possibly in my lifetime. I could be in a nursing home by then.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #119  
Old Posted Jul 4, 2017, 8:22 PM
kaiserLDN kaiserLDN is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: London
Posts: 384
The property is already saved for the on ramps. It has to happen at some point with traffic increasing. But I agree with Manny I may be in a nursing home by then.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #120  
Old Posted Sep 7, 2017, 2:08 PM
kaiserLDN kaiserLDN is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: London
Posts: 384
The PIC will be in a few weeks for the VMP to Fanshawe Park Rd. Should see more about the project then.

http://www.london.ca/residents/Environment/EAs/Documents/Clarke%20Rd_PIC1_Final.pdf
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > London > Transportation & Infrastructure
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 8:49 AM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.