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Old Posted Nov 17, 2007, 5:48 PM
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the Spec's been drooling all over themselves this week as if they played a part in seeing this thing built...oh, wait a minute!

official opening:

http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/282655
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2007, 7:53 AM
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I noticed immediately upon walking out the door this morning that traffic had picked up on Barton St. A lot. Same story for Queenston. There's a ton more cars using Nash as well, which makes no sense as it runs parallel to the parkway. I suppose they take it up to Barton, figuring it's somehow faster than hop on to the QEW. Nearly all the traffic was turning left onto Barton towards the parkway.

Also weirdly enough I saw no trucks using the parkway at all. In fact tons of them were still speeding along Barton above the parkway. I suppose things will change in the coming week as usage becomes regular though.
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2007, 1:34 PM
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Well I am in the area almost every day for work.
So I'll definately keep an eye out and see what the traffic patterns are like in the area.
I work right on Centennial and traffic is ALWAYS backed up (esp during the week). So we'll see what happens now that it's open.
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2007, 11:51 PM
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Centennial should be the only street that this highway benefits...expect much more traffic on all the other streets, espcially the ones near exit/entrance ramps.
That's consistent with the history of highway building across North America.
If building more highways actually alleviated traffic congestion then Los Angeles would be the most smooth-running, traffic-free city in the world.
Instead it's famous for it's traffic tie-ups. Real rocket-science here eh?
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2007, 12:09 AM
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Just got home from doing 10 hrs of work and so I wanted to get home quickly so I took the 403 and the Linc home. I noticed A LOT more trucks on the Linc today. I rarely ever see trucks on the Linc in the past but today I was driving close to two trucks on the Linc. Guess that's 2 trucks off of Main St.
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2007, 2:33 PM
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^^ funny u mention that, b/c I've noticed the last cpl of days that there are still lots of trucks on Centennial. Less cars tho!

I'm assuming they'd be going to/from the "Stoney Creek Business Park" area... but why would they be all the way up by Delawana/Queenston?
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2007, 3:01 PM
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Until the ramps from Burlington St and Toronto open up onto Red Hill this will have a minor impact on trucks, especially downtown. The only trucks benefiting will be to/from Niagara.
So, we'll have to wait another year to see how this helps the downtown.
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2007, 3:38 PM
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but I thought the new highway would alleviate traffic in surrounding neighbourhoods making east Hamilton the next 'best place to raise a child'??

http://900chml.com/news/news_local.cfm?c...23aPBIny&wids=410&gi=1&gm=news_local.cfm

Who could have ever seen this coming?
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2007, 4:45 PM
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Must be quite a bit of added traffic. When I went to Bagshaw the traffic was pretty tame aside from times when we were going/coming back from school. On weekends and after school the street was deserted.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2007, 2:46 AM
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Trucks

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I thought I would post my observation on the traffic change
1 a positive in my view is the truck traffic has changed. I have seen more trucks on the Linc now not just any trucks but trucks carrying steel coils, steels plates or scrap Metal Im thinking these trucks are coming from the north end. You see see you normal trucks too. Now someone earlier commented on seeing a lot more trucks on barton st thats because until the ramp from the Niagara Bound QEW to the South Boung RHVP opens then need to used Barton to get on the HWY. Anyway I think thats a few more vehicles off the downtown Streets.

Downside: out of the 3 days this week I have been by the Linc(at upper wentworth) the traffic has been slower significantly heading west at 5:00-5:30. although It was raining out. Anyway just a few things I have noticed

Another positive is that it will shave time off people coming from St Cathrines/Niagara to the airport.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2007, 3:02 AM
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Yes before I rarely ever see a truck on the Linc but now you see these monster trucks on the Linc now. I even saw a double load truck today on the Linc, the first for me.
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Did you guys see this?
http://www.thespec.com/article/285450

Janja Jokanovic has been walking her daughter to school since the Red Hill Valley Parkway opened. After getting off the night shift in the morning, the 35-year-old mother used to let her walk to Elizabeth Bagshaw with friends. But an influx of traffic exiting and entering the highway at Greenhill Avenue changed her mind. "It was easier to go to school before the road opened," said her daughter Nina, 8.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2007, 3:47 PM
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Downside: out of the 3 days this week I have been by the Linc(at upper wentworth) the traffic has been slower significantly heading west at 5:00-5:30. although It was raining out. Anyway just a few things I have noticed.
This could also be due to Christmas Shopping.
Every year around this time the off ramp to upp wentwroth is packed!
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2007, 6:07 PM
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You know that they have been spoiled in the last year since Mount Albion was closed to traffic at King Street. Everyone had to go down to King via Quigley Road or the north end of Greenhill. Now the traffic is back. It has always been 4 lanes and built as a road that will take the traffic away from the secondary streets. It is the main Road for the area and was always intended to keep the traffic out of the side streets. The original plans showed Mount Albion dead-ending at the bottom at King and the Red Hill to force all traffic to use Quigley or Greenhill.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2007, 6:16 PM
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holy crap...has anyone driven on this thing?
their slogan was "more than a road".
I'm sorry, but they are sadly mistaken. it is nothing BUT road down there now.
I had no idea that they'd be flattening the entire valley area from roughly Greenhill to QEW. I wouldn't walk on that stupid trail right beside the highway if you paid me.
I always found it funny to hear them talk about the environmental job and beautiful trails they were developing during construction. Now that I've driven it and seen it, I realize they were just feeding us a bunch of crap as usual.
It's a highway. Nothing more.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2007, 8:11 PM
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This could also be due to Christmas Shopping.
Every year around this time the off ramp to upp wentwroth is packed!
Maybe But I work in the Mall and its not really getting that busy yet.

As Far as More then a Road goes I dont care what anyone says the creek is much nicer now and cleaner, you can actually see the bottom of the creek even the deep spots.

The trail is still ok.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2007, 9:09 PM
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give it a few weeks of pollution, salt and people dumping again. the creek will be more filthy than it ever was.
They should at least plant trees beside the trail. it's insane. you're flying down the highway with the trail right beside the road. who will hike there??
Dundas Valley/Cootes Paradise for me.
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2007, 12:21 AM
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there was once talk of plowing an expressway through the dundas valley as well. if we let them have their way we'd be knee deep in asphalt. i mean moreso.
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Old Posted Dec 4, 2007, 12:29 PM
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Life has changed on Centennial Parkway

Paul Wilson
The Hamilton Spectator
(Dec 3, 2007)

Forty years ago, to mark this country's 100th birthday, they changed Highway 20 to Centennial Parkway.

Very patriotic. But Centennial has never looked much like a parkway. Strip malls, car dealers, fast food joints, a strip joint and the worst traffic in town. No rivers, no vistas, no park.

But now they've pushed a new highway through the neighbouring Red Hill Valley. It opened two weeks ago.

Everyone always said Red Hill would take the load off Centennial. Let's go see if that's true. Let's see if Centennial is starting to look parklike.

We begin up top, at the brow. This is where they scratched out a two-lane gully in the escarpment in 1929. Thirty years later, they widened it to four lanes.

And sailing down here is quite scenic, though the view ahead is steel mills. The road bends to the right, then flattens out. We cross King and pull over. This is the one spot on Centennial that still has houses on it. Let's knock on somebody's door.

Here's a nicely kept spot, a custom one-storey with big lawn. Turns out to be the home of Paul and Barbara Blake, and they have lived here since 1975.

Back then, they were new arrivals from Woodstock. They were used to lots of space and the subdivisions of Hamilton looked awfully cramped.

"I have just the place," the realtor told them. "The one drawback is that it's on Highway 20." That didn't mean a thing to the Blakes.

They loved the home, with its round dining room, 25-foot living room and orchard out back.

So they bought it. Their lawyer told them not to worry. There would be an expressway running through the Red Hill in just a few years and the traffic out their front door would soon be gone.

The decades rolled past, and so did the flatbeds hauling steel, the tankers full of fuel, transports of every kind. Barbara joined the fight for the freeway, recruited by the indefatigable Mary Wiebe, who had been on Highway 20 since 1955.

Whether it's a victory for the people or not, the Red Hill did get built. The moment it opened, the Blakes say, Centennial changed. Now the view out their front window is no longer a long line of southbound cars and trucks backed up for the lights at King. Now the Blakes can even do a left-hand turn.

But with the parkway freshly calmed, the Blakes are moving. The timing's a shame, but they've decided they need that low-maintenance condo on the West Mountain.

Due to Centennial's reputation as congestion alley, the Blakes had a tough time selling the house. But they're sure the young family moving in will be happy there now.

We push down the parkway to the Taj Restaurant, samosas and kebabs a specialty. Owner Tariq Nadeem says business is good. Customers from Burlington and St. Catharines tell him it's now a snap to get to his door.

Next, north of Barton, Tim Hortons. No problem getting a parking space here. Quiet inside, too. Gina Milroy, manager at the store for 16 years, says the change was fast. "The highway opened on the Saturday and right after that, boom." She figures their trade is down 25 per cent.

Last, on Centennial just south of the QE, we pull into the venerable 18-room Pines Motel. It goes back to the days before that centennial year.

Chandra Patel has run the place for six years. Has the new Red Hill highway had any impact on business?

"Look for yourself," she says, pointing to a deserted parking lot. The night before, she rented three rooms. At this time of year, she would have expected to fill 10.

Some motorists used to come off the QE at Centennial, spot the Pines sign and decide to bunk down for the night.

"Now nobody sees that sign," Patel says. "We noticed the difference right away. It's getting worse and worse."
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Old Posted Dec 4, 2007, 1:58 PM
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Everyone expected business to drop... that was a no-brainer.
What the city COULD do is completely re-streetscape the entire stretch from King to Confederation Park.

Currently, you can't even walk north of Barton... there are no sidewalks. How are kids suppose to get to Wild Water Works in the Summer? There's a seasonal bus, but that's all the way up at the new Eastgate Terminal. If you live Northof Delwana/Jerome, you're not going to walk an extra 50% just to catch a bus.

People walk up and down this stretch constantly... and are always in danger of being hit by cars, trucks, or out of control steel coils. Now that these trucks are apparently gone (I work right on Centennial, and still see these trucks), then we know it's time to pedestrianize the Pkwy. There's SO much room on either side of the road for BIG walkways, public art, GREENERY (Hi... Trees).

This stretch COULD potentially be a great walk... but the catch is trying to get the City to realize that. GOOD LUCK!
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