The Independent (180 Kingsway) | 64.7m | 19fl | Completed - Page 6

mr.sandbag · #**101** Posted **Mar 1, 2012, 11:28 PM**

I spoke with the guys and they said the patio most likely wont happen, after the side walk got landscaped it pretty much removed any real usable space. there will be alot of flak if they went ahead with the patio, my sense is they will drop it.,

its going to be a real causal pub feel, with long benchs and large tables.

not sure about Goh, there still is a large section dedicated to art studios so who knows might happen

Homeowner · #**102** Posted **Mar 2, 2012, 8:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by mr.sandbag

I spoke with the guys and they said the patio most likely wont happen, after the side walk got landscaped it pretty much removed any real usable space. there will be alot of flak if they went ahead with the patio, my sense is they will drop it.,

its going to be a real causal pub feel, with long benchs and large tables.

not sure about Goh, there still is a large section dedicated to art studios so who knows might happen

The restaurant will give 'the whip' some competition and an extra option for the residents around the area. win - win situation.

SFUVancouver · #**103** Posted **Apr 8, 2012, 9:21 PM**

Any word on how the April 5th Rezoning hearing went?

quobobo · #**104** Posted **Apr 9, 2012, 4:37 AM**

The public hearing wrapped up, and council's final decision was postponed until April 17th. Fingers crossed.

mr.sandbag · #**105** Posted **Apr 10, 2012, 12:56 AM**

i hate to admit this but everytime I saw one of the annoying RAMP posters in my building and around the area, I took them down....

fingers crossed for sure.

jlousa · #**106** Posted **Apr 10, 2012, 1:21 AM**

Think it's a gimme that council will approve this. If they were going to vote it down they would've stopped the meetings after 250 people signed up to speak and not carried on. I imagine council will have a couple of adjustments thrown in to appease the masses.
I'm a tad disappointed about this as I just don't feel this is the right project for the area, could've been so much better thought out and it would've been received better.

flight_from_kamakura · #**107** Posted **Apr 10, 2012, 4:28 AM**

height is perfectly in line with the area plan though

Sir Conga · #**108** Posted **Apr 15, 2012, 8:55 AM**

Here is an article at scoutmagazine.ca with quite the active comment thread.

twism · #**109** Posted **Apr 17, 2012, 8:13 PM**

After all the wait it has finally been approved.

Council approves Rize rezoning application

Posted by Michael Aynsley on Tuesday, April 17, 2012

Vancouver city council has voted to approve the Rize rezoning application in Mount Pleasant. The Green Party’s Adriane Carr was the only dissenting vote against the controversial proposal and Vision councillor Tim Stevenson did not vote. The application was approved with a few revisions. Mayor Gregor Robertson and council have told staff to make the following changes to the development:

Reduce the size of the front of the building on Broadway;
Improve the pedestrian experience on Broadway in front of the building;
Create smaller scale and expression on all facades.

Since it was first announced in early 2011, the proposal has been plagued by controversy and community opposition. Concerns about the project from neighbourhood residents include: the size of the development, affordability, and whether it will drive up prices elsewhere in the neighbhourhood, density, how it might affect traffic, and the look of the building.

Those who work for Rize Alliance have maintained throughout the lengthy debate that their proposal adheres to the Mount Pleasant Community Plan and has already been modified a number of times following input from the public and the city.

http://vancouver.openfile.ca/blog/cu...ng-application

hollywoodnorth · #**110** Posted **Apr 17, 2012, 8:32 PM**

AWESOME NEWS!

here are the twitters from CBC

1:16:03 PM
Rezoning for #rize development passed by #vancouver city hall #CBC
by stephmer via twitter on April-17-12 at 1:03:21 PM
Councilor Tang and Mayor Robertson in support #rize #CBC #vancouver
by stephmer via twitter on April-17-12 at 12:53:45 PM
Counc. Carr still opposed to #rize #CBC
#vancouver
by stephmer via twitter on April-17-12 at 12:50:09 PM
NPA Coun. Affleck also will support #rize #CBC #vancouver
by stephmer via twitter on April-17-12 at 12:47:44 PM
But Reimer says #rize is ugly and hopes the developer can improve look. #CBC #vancouver
by stephmer via twitter on April-17-12 at 12:45:39 PM
Reimer also in support. Stevenson won't be voting. #rize #vancouver #cbc
by stephmer via twitter on April-17-12 at 12:43:03 PM

jlousa · #**111** Posted **Apr 17, 2012, 8:44 PM**

Sad to see this one approved, the density was roughly right but the massings are wrong for the area. The approval of this project is going to make approving other large projects outside the core that much more diffilcult now, it's a shame this one couldn't have set a positive example.

Prometheus · #**112** Posted **Apr 17, 2012, 8:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by jlousa

approval of this project is going to make approving other large projects outside the core that much more diffilcult now...

Why is that?

WarrenC12 · #**113** Posted **Apr 17, 2012, 8:52 PM**

Due to RAMP. The APC comes to hipster-ville.

whatnext · #**114** Posted **Apr 17, 2012, 8:52 PM**

Disgusting decision. It was pretty much a foregone conclusion Vision would ram whatever they wanted down the neighbourhood's throat, that's their standard schtick. But the NPA has probably signed their death warrant with their voter base. Its a great gift for NSV in the next election.

SFUVancouver · #**115** Posted **Apr 17, 2012, 9:15 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by twism

After all the wait it has finally been approved.

Council approves Rize rezoning application

Posted by Michael Aynsley on Tuesday, April 17, 2012

...[snip]... Mayor Gregor Robertson and council have told staff to make the following changes to the development:

Reduce the size of the front of the building on Broadway;
Improve the pedestrian experience on Broadway in front of the building;
Create smaller scale and expression on all facades.

...[snip]...

All of these can be addressed at the development permit stage. Rezoning is about (1) Use (2) Form (3) Density

wrenegade · #**116** Posted **Apr 17, 2012, 9:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by jlousa

Sad to see this one approved, the density was roughly right but the massings are wrong for the area.

I agree completely.

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The approval of this project is going to make approving other large projects outside the core that much more diffilcult now, it's a shame this one couldn't have set a positive example.

This is really unfortunate, but I feel it will be true as well. Personally I don't have much appetite for approaching sites similar to this in the next couple years. I also wonder how smoothly the rezonings at Oakridge and Little Mountain will go now with so many disappointed people still angry at this decision I'm sure they won't go away. They'll just turn their attention to something else.

Anyone know what the revisions were though?

mr.sandbag · #**117** Posted **Apr 17, 2012, 9:54 PM**

not everyone is angry. I don't believe there was alot of people in the area against it but a very vocal group. I went to a couple of the RAMP meetings and I'd say maybe 150 people.

Lets hope the changes made will improve the massing and frontages and who knows maybe this will be an example that future projects like this can be modified throughout the process and the neighbourhoods feel they have no say.

I'm looking forward to this as it will hopefully kick start the Kingsgate Mall make over.

phesto · #**118** Posted **Apr 17, 2012, 10:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

Disgusting decision. It was pretty much a foregone conclusion Vision would ram whatever they wanted down the neighbourhood's throat, that's their standard schtick. But the NPA has probably signed their death warrant with their voter base. Its a great gift for NSV in the next election.

How does the NPA's support really impact them here? I don't think they would've won any support from the locals had they taken a different tack than Vision.

officedweller · #**119** Posted **Apr 17, 2012, 11:26 PM**

Hopefully they won't use "heavy" looking dark coloured brick.
Maybe yellow brick, like what was originally proposed for 1 Kingsway (then replaced with red brick).

whatnext · #**120** Posted **Apr 18, 2012, 4:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by phesto

How does the NPA's support really impact them here? I don't think they would've won any support from the locals had they taken a different tack than Vision.

Easy. While the NPA wan't paying attention the interests of their voter base (largely SF homeowners) diverged from that of their developer backers. No matter how much of his money Rob Macdonald pours into the party, people aren't going to want highrises plunked down beside them looking into their backyard. Thus a huge opportunity develops for Neighbours for a Sustainable Vancouver to peel away even more of the old Non-Partisan vote next time.

Of course the real losers are Mt. Pleasant Vision Vancouver voters, who may have thought their staunch support of Gregor and his Gang bought them any consideration. Instead they were trampled all over, just as surely as the residents near Shannon Mews or Marine Gateway. I'm sure the Vision "braintrust" thinks those new residents will vote for them, but lets face it, renters don't vote in anywhere near the numbers homeowners do, and those who were sucked in by Vision last time are unlikely to fall for the Mayor's vapid charms next election.