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Old Posted Apr 6, 2007, 5:06 AM
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Jasmine's been fenced off for about a month.
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I was told it would be leveled in May, which means July.
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so what's going in at the Jasmin if the rec center is going in at P-CAT?
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so what's going in at the Jasmin if the rec center is going in at P-CAT?
It's that 16-17 story Hacker housing project that has the streetcar running through it, a la the Urban Center. There were some great renderings somewhere, but I can't find them. Anybody know where they are?
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Old Posted Apr 7, 2007, 8:32 AM
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There were renderings for both a G/E building on 4th (next to Harrison condos) and the Jasmine block. Check G/E's website for some of them; the other renderings are floating around somewhere...
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holy **** that's right outside my bedroom window
1700 SWth 4th
http://www.gerdingedlen.com/project.php?id=47


Still couldn't find any renderings of the site at the Jasmin.
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^There are renderings in Gerding/Edlen's development proposal on PDC's website.

http://www.pdc.us/pdf/ura/south_park...al_3-31-06.pdf

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not sure i like the separation from the sidewalk. buildings that try to incorporate terraced gardens around them really end up becoming monoliths with really no street life. there are a lot of buildings in that part of town that build barriers between them and the sidewalk with the attempt to create some hanging garden effect but really you don't see people congretating there. the use of cement walls is not very pleasing to the eye. they should have large sidewalks with open cafes that spill out onto the sidewalk in my opinion. the buildings facade should reach all the way to street level.
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not sure i like the separation from the sidewalk. buildings that try to incorporate terraced gardens around them really end up becoming monoliths with really no street life. there are a lot of buildings in that part of town that build barriers between them and the sidewalk with the attempt to create some hanging garden effect but really you don't see people congretating there. the use of cement walls is not very pleasing to the eye. they should have large sidewalks with open cafes that spill out onto the sidewalk in my opinion. the buildings facade should reach all the way to street level.
You would think that would make more sense downtown. I hate this building, but have better hopes for the blocks that will be redeveloped to the east.
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^no worries than, from my understanding the 1700 building is still on hold.
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when a couple of those building come down for PSU expansion, and the MAX is running, the whole area could have a different feel. We'll see, hope they don't jump the gun while so much is going on at the moment.
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That part of downtown IS very disconnected from the rest of downtown; the MAX and new infill will really help it quite a bit. I really hope that the area will get another grocery store tho... maybe like a New Season's. That would help a lot.
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it's not to bad, I take the streetcar to the Safeway by the Elliot, not more than a few minutes.

A couple restaurants, some more street level retails would do wonders for the area, I agree there. I think good things are coming, which is why I moved right there
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Design advocates: Rec center leaves something to be desired
Daily Journal of Commerce
by Alison Ryan
04/09/2007


The north façade of Yost Grube Hall’s design for Portland State University’s rec center drew praise from members of the Portland Design Commission during a design advice session last week, but commissioners said plans left the building’s other three sides neglected.

“I don’t see them as having as healthy a dialogue with the public street and the passersby,” commissioner Tim Eddy said Thursday.

The project, which YGH won the right to design in a fall competition, would bring a combination of a recreation center, classrooms, retail spaces and offices to the site of the existing Portland Center for Advanced Technology (PCAT) building at Fifth and Sixth avenues and Montgomery and Harrison streets. The rec center, which would sit at the southern edge of the Urban Center and Plaza, when completed would mark a final piece in making a fully active public plaza.

Thursday, students stretched across the plaza’s low brick walls to read, sip coffee at outdoor bistro tables or charge to classes in the neighboring College of Urban and Public Affairs and Distance Learning Center. Once every 15 minutes or so, the streetcar chugged through. Bus stops dotted neighboring streets; a light-rail line eventually will shuttle along Southwest Fifth and Sixth avenues, too.

The space, on one of the city’s first sunny days, was vibrant, active. But the blank blue wall of the PCAT building was the one real void in the buzz.

The rec center, its designers expect, would put action where there’s none. Expansive use of glass, framed by brick and concrete, would let people in the urban plaza peek at what’s happening above. Recreational features – like the pool, a rock wall and basketball courts – would mean a seven-day-a-week building for the plaza.

“This building,” design commission chairman Lloyd Lindley said, “is going to be hugely active and kinetic.”

But three of the four sides, commissioners said, have work left to be done. Nels Hall of Yost Grube Hall told the commission that the design’s non-plaza sides – largely brick, with windows peeping through – make an effort to express the building’s wide range of uses and to create views in and out that express those uses.

While commissioners said they respected how the building’s many uses would have necessary effects on design, they said they’d like to see more of the activity-making of the north façade carried through to the other sides.

“It doesn’t really turn its back ... but it’s certainly a different attitude,” Eddy said of the design on the other sides.

Financial considerations also had an impact on the commission’s conversations. The project could be as many as six stories – but whether the two extra floors top the center depends on money.

With campus land at a premium, the commission urged the team to make the most of its site.

“This is a building that can spread its shoulders,” Eddy said. “This is a site that can support a lot of programming.”

It’s also a site that when developed would finish PSU’s long-planned gathering space. Completion of the plaza, said Will Dann, a principal at Thomas Hacker Architects, which designed the College of Urban and Public Affairs, was meant to be phased, with the recreation center as its completion.

Dann said he hadn’t seen and couldn’t react to the designs YGH presented last week. But success in creating an active space, he said, is tied to elements such as the ground-level permeability of the plaza buildings. The public, he said, should be able to walk right through the plaza and into the rec center and end up at the bus stop on Southwest Harrison Street.

“The interior of the building becomes part of the circulatory system of the entire campus,” Dann said, “and that opportunity is there at PSU.”

Extra-campus opportunities also exist. Gerding Edlen Development Co. is planning the 1700 SW Fourth, a 16-story mixed-use condo and retail building on Southwest Fourth Avenue that developers expect to be the beginning of big things in the areas surrounding PSU. Gerding Edlen also controls the nearby Jasmine Tree block, where a 17-story condominium tower and new urban plaza are planned. With the Gerding Edlen projects, the PSU rec center, the addition of new transit and existing pedestrian malls and pocket parks, Damin Tarlow, Gerding Edlen development manager, said, the area is ripe.

“In retrospect,” he said, “I think people are going to go, why the hell didn’t we (develop) here.”

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I noticed thursday that some demo has started on the Jasmin.

Monday morning it's full on demo at the site. No pics, but they're going at it.


This is block 153, at 17 stories rising north/south, it's going to block 1/2 my view facing west.
Ah well, it's good to see development starting in this area, I'm all for it.

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^no worries than, from my understanding the 1700 building is still on hold.
I put a bid out on the Montgomery Block sales center last week, so this building will be starting soon.
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^ where is it? Do they have models and such?
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the Jasmin is gone. Just thought I would point that out.
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^ where is it? Do they have models and such?
1820 SW 4th. It will probably take a couple of months to construct, though.
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Jasmin site has been graded and sprayed with grass growing stuff.

permits seem to say construction fall of '07, so I guess they just don't want it to be an eyesore all summer.


They are re-aligning the streetcar too as part of this, sounds like a lot of work.

Also will happen in conjunction with 1700 (building is now vacant) it seems like.
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