[Dartmouth] Mic Mac Mall Developments | ^115 m | 10 Phases | Proposed

[Keith P.]

Originally Posted by Colin May

Move the workplace closer to where commuters live and reverse the traffic flow to make the Bedford/Sackville area the main employment node. Put a new hospital in the area. Leave downtown Halifax as 'Barville' - fits in nicely with our BBC economy (Burgers,Booze and Coffee)
The fast ferry is akin to putting a band-aid on a severed limb. You/we cannot trust any plans from HRM until they publish traffic data entering the peninsula.

The decline in downtown commuting is happening organically already with new models of office work which often rely on people doing their jobs from home. It is being accelerated by HRM's efforts to keep people who are not residents of downtown out of downtown.

[Jonovision]

Originally Posted by IanWatson

To start with, I'd go with Cherrybrook to Shannon Park and Burnside via Main Street, with major stops at Lake Loon, Main Street NSCC, and here at Mic Mac. Acquire the ROW ASAP, and then upzone the s**t out of the length of Main Street. The Shannon Park end would tie into fast ferry.

It would require being proactive, but it would ultimately be easier than trying to retrofit areas that are already built-up. With experience gained here we could then focus on more difficult areas.

I always envisioned an elevated and automated line that could run above the Circ. Starting at Woodside with stops at Mt. Hope, Portland/Penhorne, Main St, MicMac, Burnside/Highfield and then terminating at the ferry at Shannon Park.

[terrynorthend]

There's niw a nice 3D concept render of this project and deeper down a perspective sketch of the towers at the Shape your City page for M

https://www.shapeyourcityhalifax.ca/...ct-development

[MastClimberPro]

300+ floors of residential is a big needle mover. Let's hope we don't have to wait until the last building is completed before we can shed the egregious name.

[OldDartmouthMark]

Originally Posted by MastClimberPro

Let's hope we don't have to wait until the last building is completed before we can shed the egregious name.

"M District", or the lake for which the mall is named?

[Keith P.]

Originally Posted by MastClimberPro

Let's hope we don't have to wait until the last building is completed before we can shed the egregious name.

Let's just call it "Wadih World" and be done with it.

[Saul Goode]

Originally Posted by Keith P.

Let's just call it "Wadih World" and be done with it.

Nothin' but net on that one, Keith. Nicely done.

Do you suppose they'll put in a Fares Wheel?

[Jstaleness]

Originally Posted by saul goode

nothin' but net on that one, keith. Nicely done.

Do you suppose they'll put in a fares wheel?

lol

[Keith P.]

Originally Posted by Saul Goode

Nothin' but net on that one, Keith. Nicely done.

Do you suppose they'll put in a Fares Wheel?

It could go close to the ancestral shores of beautiful Lake Wa'Be'Gone'Gimme'thamoney.

[gohaligo]

Joe Ramia owns Mic Mac Mall. He and investors bought it from Ivenhoe Cambridge a few years ago.

[terrynorthend]

Originally Posted by gohaligo

Joe Ramia owns Mic Mac Mall. He and investors bought it from Ivenhoe Cambridge a few years ago.

Hmm. Maybe a Merry-Joe-Round then.

[someone123]

Originally Posted by Hali87

The article lists the projected number of units at a total of 2410. This is significant, but for perspective, the Mumford redevelopment is projected at about 5500 units (the Phase 1 proposal covers about 2/5 of the lands to be developed). It's also just a medium-sized drop in the bucket in terms of the total number of residential units that need to get built here over the next few years.

There are a lot of these projects though. It's hard to keep track of them all.

The big projects tend to be bland but they work well for housing supply. You can get approval for a lot of units and then scale construction up or down according to the market.

[Colin May]

Originally Posted by gohaligo

Joe Ramia owns Mic Mac Mall. He and investors bought it from Ivenhoe Cambridge a few years ago.

According to PVSC the property was sold in 2015 for $0
The property assessment in 2016 was $195.4 million. In 2023 the assessment is just $89.5 million. Change in ownership in 2021 would have been through a purchase of shares.

[Dmajackson]

Project is back for more public consultation. There have been a few changes and there is now a submission for residential towers on what is currently the parking lot for Irving. The major changes on the mall property are the removal of the pedestrian bridge over Highway 111 and the addition of a public park in the south.

There is also a detailed drawing for the transit terminal which shows the new bus terminal with space for ~11 buses. This lineups directly with the current service level of 1 core through, 4 local through, and 1 local terminus. With staggered departure times there should be capacity for a few new routes. For reference the new terminal would be the size of the existing Mumford Terminal but have a 50% fewer routes. There are bus stops shown on the loop road (TA-14). I think those would be serviced by Routes 54/55.

https://www.shapeyourcityhalifax.ca/...ct-development

[Keith P.]

The one sure thing is that the Transit terminal will be ill-designed, undersized, and have few amenities for those using it.

[Dartguard]

Originally Posted by Keith P.

The one sure thing is that the Transit terminal will be ill-designed, undersized, and have few amenities for those using it.

Well Keith, there is that Mic Mac Mall thing right next door for amenities.

[JET]

Originally Posted by Dartguard

Well Keith, there is that Mic Mac Mall thing right next door for amenities.

We moved to Dartmouth in '92, and shopped at the grocery store at MMM, hopefully there will a grocery store back there will all those new buildings.

[Keith P.]

Originally Posted by Dartguard

Well Keith, there is that Mic Mac Mall thing right next door for amenities.

There is currently a “terminal” at MMM. It has a rain shelter and flat benches. No other “amenities”. The same is true for the Mumford “terminal”. God help you if you need to visit a toilet or, god forbid, buy tickets though I suppose the app makes that decades-long problem go away for many. Regardless, though, Transit’s terminals are generally ultra bare-bones.

[alps]

Another issue is that Halifax Transit's daily span of service is quite a bit longer than the mall's opening hours. I don't know what time they unlock the doors, but technically the mall is closed during the morning rush hour. I think the city should strive to provide a quality public service independent of the private sector (similar issues at Mumford Terminal).

Originally Posted by JET

We moved to Dartmouth in '92, and shopped at the grocery store at MMM, hopefully there will a grocery store back there will all those new buildings.

I thought it was interesting that the plans seem to leave the vacant ex-Winners store untouched. Maybe they want to court a grocery store to take over that space.

[Keith P.]

Originally Posted by alps

I thought it was interesting that the plans seem to leave the vacant ex-Winners store untouched. Maybe they want to court a grocery store to take over that space.

I understand they have been trying to lease that space to someone/anyone for many years with no success. Malls are dying and empty spaces like that will only increase. I don't know if the grocery chains will want to refit that space given there is both a Sobeys and a Superstore a short distance away. I think the only hope for that is if a new entrant comes to the area.