TCH east of Nipigon (La route transcanadienne à l'est de Nipigon) - Page 59

Loco101 · #**1161** Posted **Jul 13, 2019, 4:35 PM**

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You've just been confirmed as a Northern Ontarian! Congratulations!!

Someone on my Facebook the other day pointed out that we pronounce "Current River" as "Curnt River". I never noticed before but it's true.

Most people here in Timmins will say "drove" instead of "driven." I'm from a family of teachers and it drives them crazy lol.

Dengler Avenue · #**1162** Posted **Jul 13, 2019, 5:21 PM**

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The big concern for Hwy 17 along Superior has always been washouts.

Exactly. Back then, MTO rerouted 417 away from Ottawa River from the Split in Ottawa to Hawkesbury precisely because the bank along Ottawa River wasn’t stable.

Along Lake Superior Shore, it seems that the question isn’t whether or not washout happens, but how often.

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Most people here in Timmins will say "drove" instead of "driven." I'm from a family of teachers and it drives them crazy lol.

swimmer_spe · #**1163** Posted **Jul 13, 2019, 11:09 PM**

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Yea. I drove from Heron Bay to SSM. K maybe the only one section where I could see the lake was Montreal Harbour, but I remembered being able to see the frozen lake.

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As a disclaimer, I didn’t mean to bring up a non-existent issue to advocate twinning 17 along Lake Superior Shore. I’ve just been reading up the news, and one piece talked about the erosion of shoreline in California. Then I was like, “Crap, could the same be happening by the Great Lakes”? Then I checked the news and found out it’s actually happening. So far it seems to affect the Michigan side of things badly, but not the Ontario side. At least not yet.

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Exactly. Back then, MTO rerouted 417 away from Ottawa River from the Split in Ottawa to Hawkesbury precisely because the bank along Ottawa River wasn’t stable.

Along Lake Superior Shore, it seems that the question isn’t whether or not washout happens, but how often.

Washouts are more of an issue when you have a company unfamiliar with the terrain do road construction. As far as erosion, it really is a non issue. Even further west of Marathon, the road doesn't get close enough to the lake that erosion would be a serious issue.

However, if we get snowpacks like last winter, then the lake level could rise and it then could be a problem. The Great Lakes are all higher than normal.

vid · #**1164** Posted **Jul 14, 2019, 7:53 PM**

Washouts aren't happening because of the lake levels, they're happening because the water levels in the rivers get too high during heavy rains or snow melt and the bridges or culverts aren't adequate for the water volume.

But it really has nothing to do with the lake. We don't have waves on lake Superior washing the road out at any location on the lake. It's always culverts and bridges over swollen rivers.

Dengler Avenue · #**1165** Posted **Jul 23, 2019, 7:27 PM**

https://www.drydennow.com/local/that-was-a-friend-of-ours

really sad

Dengler Avenue · #**1166** Posted **Jul 26, 2019, 1:59 AM**

From today: https://www.kenoraonline.com/local/folks-can-look-forward-to-twinning-rickford

Dengler Avenue · #**1167** Posted **Aug 7, 2019, 5:27 PM**

https://northrenfrewtimes.ca/news/highway-17-closed-at-mattawa/

Gas leak closed Highway 17 in both directions in Mattawa.

Dengler Avenue · #**1168** Posted **Aug 10, 2019, 1:33 AM**

https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/manitoba-fir...pected-to-cause-traffic-delays-1.4543216

FN gathering to slow down traffic on TCH near provincial boundary

Dengler Avenue · #**1169** Posted **Aug 20, 2019, 1:36 AM**

https://twitter.com/opp_nwr/status/1163607871763963904?s=21

It seems that Highway 11-17 is closed in both directions between 5th Road and Superior Shore Road. There is actually no detour...

vid · #**1170** Posted **Aug 20, 2019, 3:36 AM**

There is a possible detour through logging roads, but that's a 50km or so detour and the roads might not be passable.

It's now open to 1 lane alternating traffic, so there is traffic flow.

F. Lionel · #**1171** Posted **Aug 20, 2019, 3:43 AM**

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https://twitter.com/opp_nwr/status/1163607871763963904?s=21

It seems that Highway 11-17 is closed in both directions between 5th Road and Superior Shore Road. There is actually no detour...

I just got through this. Had to exain to few couples waiting on the side of the road that there is no side road or alternate route to take. Eastbound at Pearl is a cellular dead spot too so they were getting frustrated that their phones weren't working either. Pearl River to Ouimet Canyon Rd is one big choke point in the system.

This accident was about half a km from the New Year's Eve accident in 2017. Also would have not probably happened if the twinning hadn't have been cancelled/delayed as this was firmly inside the boundaries of where blasting and rock removal would be on-going.

Very sad.

Loco101 · #**1172** Posted **Aug 20, 2019, 3:50 AM**

I drove that section a few days ago. Nice to see the 4 laned sections but frustrating that it won't be completed soon.

Dengler Avenue · #**1173** Posted **Aug 20, 2019, 10:48 AM**

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I just got through this. Had to exain to few couples waiting on the side of the road that there is no side road or alternate route to take. Eastbound at Pearl is a cellular dead spot too so they were getting frustrated that their phones weren't working either. Pearl River to Ouimet Canyon Rd is one big choke point in the system.

This accident was about half a km from the New Year's Eve accident in 2017. Also would have not probably happened if the twinning hadn't have been cancelled/delayed as this was firmly inside the boundaries of where blasting and rock removal would be on-going.

Very sad.

If they’re southern Ontarians, now they know the pain of their northwestern neighbours.

Dengler Avenue · #**1174** Posted **Aug 20, 2019, 4:26 PM**

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=951455455190358&id=222717804730797

vid · #**1175** Posted **Aug 21, 2019, 2:49 AM**

I've driven Highway 7 between Guelph and Kitchener during rush hour so I understand their position on which highway should be twinned, but in their case, there is an alternate route.

We don't have that.

Even if it's twinned one lane roads, we need some kind of duplication to prevent totally cutting off parts of this region.

Dengler Avenue · #**1176** Posted **Aug 21, 2019, 2:57 AM**

For Highway 7, sometimes I wonder why people don’t go on the country road to its north. Then again, I don’t drive on it during rush hour often enough to know. As for your second point, that’s why I added service roads to my designs/proposals.

As you may remember, I drew out how 17 should be twinned from turnoff to Joseph Island to Nairn Centre, from Markstay to North Bay, then from Rolphton to Cobden, and also west of Kenora. The parts between SSM and Ottawa that I didn’t draw were already covered by MTO. Redesigning many portions of it (see #789 on page 40 by swimmer_spe) will be quite the work though...

vid · #**1177** Posted **Aug 21, 2019, 3:01 AM**

I think they also drive on that road, there is a lot of interaction between Kitchener/Waterloo and Guelph. I always wondered why all of Guelph's industry was in the northwest corner of the city, and it's obvious now: a lot of people from KW work in that part of Guelph.

The road was literally bumper to bumper traffic from Kitchener into Guelph at 8:30am. It was moving steady at around 50km/h, but the road was clearly at capacity. It's a rare instance where adding lanes would probably actually help. But you can see how an accident can paralyze that area too; if a collision occurred and blocked Highway 7, the process of turning vehicles around and detouring them would be long and difficult.

But that's the thing: they can detour. In our case, a major accident on the highway means turn your car off and build a tent, it might be a day or two before you can travel again. The detour last night was essentially an 18 hour trip through the United States, and includes a toll road.

Dengler Avenue · #**1178** Posted **Aug 21, 2019, 4:15 AM**

Would it have been worth it to go offroad to go around the accident scene?

Dengler Avenue · #**1179** Posted **Aug 21, 2019, 12:01 PM**

I probably asked a question that wasn’t meant to be taken seriously, so better question:

The parts where TCH’s the only way between western and eastern Canada get closed every now and then, as can be seen from local news and from OPP Communications NWR’s tweets, but why is the failure of Nipigon Bridge the only one that garnered attention? When will the days come when media question why eastern and western Canada aren’t well connected, as Loco101 said?

swimmer_spe · #**1180** Posted **Aug 21, 2019, 1:59 PM**

This is proof to my of why I hate twinning. If thy instead build a new divided 4 lane highway and cris cross the old highway then you have a detour route when something inevitably happens.

Twinning is the cheaper option, so they do it.