PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX

[br323206]

Originally Posted by 1487

the people were already out there. The migration was well underway and you weren't going to reverse it by not building the highway. The purpose of the road was to provide a more efficient means of moving people and goods between nodes on a corridor that had increased in density during the 60s- through 80s. It was also a way to connect the NE extension with I-95 and allow people to get south of Philadelphia without driving through Philadelphia.

I guess I'm alone on this one, but I think the highway significantly accelerated the streaming of jobs from Center City to KOP, Radnor, 202, etc.

The redirecting of NE Extension traffic around Philly was probably beneficial, though I'd like to see a study of that.

[br323206]

Originally Posted by iheartphilly

Depends if you are a half glass full or empty kind of guy. The blue route paved way for expansion of the suburbs. More homes built, more business, better highway access for products/services. As much bitching about it when it was being proposed, the net benefits outweigh the costs up to this day.

Expansion of the Blue Route south of WCP is another story. Especially, in light of inadequate pubic transportation for Broomall, Newtown Square, Havertown residents to hop on a regional line, especially one that is convenient and should be off of WCP.

But did the expansion of the suburbs come at the expense of the city? I would say yes and I think there is plenty of planning research that suggests that that is the case with investments in new highways within metro areas. I don't think new companies moved to the Philly area because of the Blue Route, but there were companies that probably moved from closer in. Again, is reshuffling the deck really a worthwhile endeavor?

And is more homes built in the suburbs a worthy goal? I'd compare NYC and San Francisco (population density focused at the core) to Detroit and Atlanta (dispersed and suburban) and say no. It's not attracting new residents, it's just making it easier to flee the city to your new home on a cul-de-sac in a sprawling suburb where you have to drive everywhere. And we make these sorts of investments while infrastructure in the core of the region continues to become more dilapidated and outdated.

Like I said above, I guess I'm alone on this one.

[1487]

Originally Posted by therealdawk

Action News got to tour the inside of East Market today. In this video they also talk completion dates.

it would be nice if they did more of this stuff and less shooting coverage.

[1487]

Originally Posted by br323206

I guess I'm alone on this one, but I think the highway significantly accelerated the streaming of jobs from Center City to KOP, Radnor, 202, etc.

The redirecting of NE Extension traffic around Philly was probably beneficial, though I'd like to see a study of that.

Im not sure why the blue route is being singled out. The US made policy decisions post WW2 that accelerated suburbanization, highway construction and segregation. What happened to Philly with regards to the expansion of the highway network was not new nor was it the result of a specific local policy. Cities largely got shafted during the post war expansion years- nothing new there.

[br323206]

Originally Posted by 1487

Im not sure why the blue route is being singled out. The US made policy decisions post WW2 that accelerated suburbanization, highway construction and segregation. What happened to Philly with regards to the expansion of the highway network was not new nor was it the result of a specific local policy. Cities largely got shafted during the post war expansion years- nothing new there.

Oh I don't disagree. I was just using the blue route because it was highly contentious and more recent than most highway development. It certainly is not unique.

[City Wide]

Originally Posted by br323206

But did the expansion of the suburbs come at the expense of the city? I would say yes and I think there is plenty of planning research that suggests that that is the case with investments in new highways within metro areas. I don't think new companies moved to the Philly area because of the Blue Route, but there were companies that probably moved from closer in. Again, is reshuffling the deck really a worthwhile endeavor?

And is more homes built in the suburbs a worthy goal? I'd compare NYC and San Francisco (population density focused at the core) to Detroit and Atlanta (dispersed and suburban) and say no. It's not attracting new residents, it's just making it easier to flee the city to your new home on a cul-de-sac in a sprawling suburb where you have to drive everywhere. And we make these sorts of investments while infrastructure in the core of the region continues to become more dilapidated and outdated.

Like I said above, I guess I'm alone on this one.

You are definitely not alone in this view, but we probably aren't in the majority, unfortunately. At times I wonder what Phila would be like if half the road building budgets were spent on mass transport. Dream on and on.

[Milksteak]

Originally Posted by City Wide

You are definitely not alone in this view, but we probably aren't in the majority, unfortunately. At times I wonder what Phila would be like if half the road building budgets were spent on mass transport. Dream on and on.

I agree, but I'm happy that we even have any mass transit options at all. So many Midwestern cities don't have a train connection...let alone a subway.

[hotwheels]

The Tallest Buildings Under Construction in Philadelphia Right Now

Philadelphia's skyline is in the midst of a development boom, and several tall new projects are currently under construction in the city. Today we're counting down the five tallest buildings under construction in the City of Brotherly Love, starting with the soon-to-be tallest building in the city.

[Knight Hospitaller]

Originally Posted by hotwheels

The Tallest Buildings Under Construction in Philadelphia Right Now

They missed FMC.

[PhilliesPhan]

Originally Posted by Knight Hospitaller

They missed FMC.

They also referenced the W and Elements Hotel as being 617' tall.

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by hotwheels

The Tallest Buildings Under Construction in Philadelphia Right Now

This article is so wrong lol.... the 5 tallest under construction would be:

Comcast Innovation and Technology Center: 1,121 FT
FMC Tower at Cira Centre South: 736 FT
W Hotel & Element by Westin: 582 FT
500 Walnut: 380 FT
CHOP 700 Schuylkill: 375 FT

[Milksteak]

Hopefully this article is right and the good times are here to stay...

http://www.philly.com/philly/brand/385889211.html?strref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.philly.com

[iheartphilly]

Originally Posted by Milksteak

Hopefully this article is right and the good times are here to stay...

http://www.philly.com/philly/brand/385889211.html?strref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.philly.com

Here's the counterbalance:

http://www.phillymag.com/property/2016/0...ontinue-to-leave-philly-pew-study-finds/

[Milksteak]

Originally Posted by iheartphilly

Here's the counterbalance:

http://www.phillymag.com/property/2016/0...ontinue-to-leave-philly-pew-study-finds/

This article is focusing more on the city of Philadelphia...the other is including the metro area, basically indicating that those who are leaving the city are still settling in the burbs.

Agree 100% though that the schools need to be fixed in order to keep families in the city (and before everybody gets all up in arms, I'm not saying that there aren't good schools in the city, I'm saying the school system as a whole needs a drastic tune up).

[PhilliesPhan]

Originally Posted by Milksteak

Hopefully this article is right and the good times are here to stay...

http://www.philly.com/philly/brand/385889211.html?strref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.philly.com

I am one of those Millennials--albeit much younger than what the article refers to--who will be moving from suburban Philadelphia (Delaware County) to the city (hopefully Fishtown) by the end of the year! Also, when I get to the point where I graduate from college, start a career, and have a family, I plan to raise them in the city as opposed to moving to the suburbs. After all, the best high school in Pennsylvania is in Philly. Of course, I can't control what the future wife says!

[Outta here]

Conflicting articles about the same subjects make me dizzy .
I'm not sure this statement belongs in this revised section of the " thread " , but
because I'm dizzy , I don't know if it makes any difference ...... so here goes .

Although , still in the " proposed " category , I'm not sure anyone knows for sure just
how tall the SLS on South Broad will be when completed . I think the same thing happened
to the original plans for the W hotel ..... ( not sure about that one ) ...... NOW , I read in
Philly.com , the East Market project has shrunk to 17 stories . THAT is in direct conflict with
publications made in the data base forum which states a 281' , 21 story tower for that location .

Yes , I know shit happens but the undeceive nature of said projects is enough to make my aneurysm
grow feet and move to my central nervous system ..... Please forgive my uncontrollable ranting over
something of which I have no control ..... I'm still suffering a massive migraine from the lack of
ANY development at 8th.& Market .

[kingtut]

Originally Posted by Outta here

Conflicting articles about the same subjects make me dizzy .
I'm not sure this statement belongs in this revised section of the " thread " , but
because I'm dizzy , I don't know if it makes any difference ...... so here goes .

Although , still in the " proposed " category , I'm not sure anyone knows for sure just
how tall the SLS on South Broad will be when completed . I think the same thing happened
to the original plans for the W hotel ..... ( not sure about that one ) ...... NOW , I read in
Philly.com , the East Market project has shrunk to 17 stories . THAT is in direct conflict with
publications made in the data base forum which states a 281' , 21 story tower for that location .

Yes , I know shit happens but the undeceive nature of said projects is enough to make my aneurysm
grow feet and move to my central nervous system ..... Please forgive my uncontrollable ranting over
something of which I have no control ..... I'm still suffering a massive migraine from the lack of
ANY development at 8th.& Market .

I think 17 stories of residential on top of 3 or 4 stories of commercial ?

[summersm343]

Penn Medicine Center for Healthcare Technology - 3600 Civic Center Blvd - office/research and retail - 266 FT - 18 FLOORS

Civic Design Review Submission



Looks like the building will be built in two phases: Phase 1 will top out at 8 floors, and phase 2 will bring it up to the full 18 floors. The renderings also show the Penn New Patient Pavilion, and a fully completed build out of Colket Transnational Research Center which seems to be about 25 floors and 380 FT tall... I wonder when they plan on completing the building? I guess sometime soon

Anyways... here is the new thread created for this project:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=7507996#post7507996

[summersm343]

Philly Workers and Businesses Might Get a Big Tax Cut … In Two Years

Pennsylvania State lawmakers just passed a bill that would let Philadelphia enact major business and wage tax reform.

Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/citified/2016/07/20/business-wage-tax-cut/#lq82bEZcfvsD034w.99

[Knight Hospitaller]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Philly Workers and Businesses Might Get a Big Tax Cut … In Two Years



Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/citified/2016/07/20/business-wage-tax-cut/#lq82bEZcfvsD034w.99

Good news! Gotta start somewhere. Surely we can wait two years after decades of this mess.