Winnipeg Retail

[kjmz]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

It is a bit more than the food court. But ya that awkward hallway seems destined to remain awkward and empty.

Everything in the red is what nots being built. Maybe they can finish the triangular piece where the admin office is and some of the corridor, as I think there is some empty space behind the big white walls.

I'll have to find the post on social media. But it said they'd basically fill in the whole in the parking lot. I assume they'd also finish the wall that is currently tared off.

It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. The mall's food court is quite small, with an awkward layout, and the former Famous Players space is currently unused and would require renovation. This project has the potential to outpace the Shops of Kildonan Mile development in attracting retail tenants. Meanwhile, other developments are making progress, such as Kildonan Crossing, and there’s likely to be activity near Panet Road, close to the new Princess Auto.

[harls]

In Gatineau, they are halving the theater and installing a new vegan grocery store on its west side.

https://www.gatineau.ca/upload/avis_...du_plateau.pdf

[bomberjet]

The old theatre will probably just sit empty. It was a grocery store prior to it being a theater, but I doubt there'd be anyone interested in renovating that space vs just going somewhere else.

Would there be a non-compete clause with Save on Foods already being in the mall?

The area is saturated already with retail. Kildonan Mile having problems for years getting going. What more junk could possibly be sold in the area? lmao

Mostly smaller strip mall's/shops being added to existing parking lots.

I'm not really up to speed on rents and such. But the CRU's in Kildonan Crossing where the trough used to be filled up quick. But other CRU's, say at Marion and des Meurons, linger empty. Is it just location or are rents that much different?

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

The old theatre will probably just sit empty. It was a grocery store prior to it being a theater, but I doubt there'd be anyone interested in renovating that space vs just going somewhere else.

Would there be a non-compete clause with Save on Foods already being in the mall?

The area is saturated already with retail. Kildonan Mile having problems for years getting going. What more junk could possibly be sold in the area? lmao

Mostly smaller strip mall's/shops being added to existing parking lots.

I'm not really up to speed on rents and such. But the CRU's in Kildonan Crossing where the trough used to be filled up quick. But other CRU's, say at Marion and des Meurons, linger empty. Is it just location or are rents that much different?

It probably helps to be close to the busiest intersection in the Province. However I'm willing to bet the biggest factor is rent is too damned high in central neighbourhood CRUs. I never understood how companies would rather their units sit empty when priced at $3000 a month vs being filled at $2000

[neutroniks]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

The old theatre will probably just sit empty. It was a grocery store prior to it being a theater, but I doubt there'd be anyone interested in renovating that space vs just going somewhere else.

Would there be a non-compete clause with Save on Foods already being in the mall?

The area is saturated already with retail. Kildonan Mile having problems for years getting going. What more junk could possibly be sold in the area? lmao

Mostly smaller strip mall's/shops being added to existing parking lots.

I'm not really up to speed on rents and such. But the CRU's in Kildonan Crossing where the trough used to be filled up quick. But other CRU's, say at Marion and des Meurons, linger empty. Is it just location or are rents that much different?

I've always envisioned the amount of untapped potential on Regent. With all that parking lot space, close to major intersections, BRT (eventually) to have TOD apartments & condos with CRUs and have the area develop like Metrotown in Vancouver.

But also maybe the upcoming development at Polo Park can be mimicked and also applied in the Regent area. All the parking lots just scream "Fill me with density, please" hahaha

[bomberjet]

Regent was identified in the recent zoning changes thingy as a corridor they would permit that type of stuff. I don't really know how that's any different than now. But I'm not sold on living in a tower above a suburban mall parking lot. Polo Park main levels was mostly open air parking lot IIRC. Buildings on stilts.

[michelleb]

Building apartment blocks on traffic arterials and busy intersections is just a continuation of the 1970s+ development pattern of forcing renters to live on the city's most undesirable, noisy, polluted, and dangerous streets, so it's a bit irritating hearing empty suits like Gillingham and J.Lukes bragging about being "progressive" by building on "corridors" the same as we've always done.

Sorry, just a bit bitter at how unimaginative our politicians continue to be decades after the Thatcher/Reagan/Mulroney era.

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by michelleb

Building apartment blocks on traffic arterials and busy intersections is just a continuation of the 1970s+ development pattern of forcing renters to live on the city's most undesirable, noisy, polluted, and dangerous streets, so it's a bit irritating hearing empty suits like Gillingham and J.Lukes bragging about being "progressive" by building on "corridors" the same as we've always done.

Sorry, just a bit bitter at how unimaginative our politicians continue to be decades after the Thatcher/Reagan/Mulroney era.

What other uses for the land do you propose? How else densify without further sprawl?

[michelleb]

Originally Posted by FactaNV

What other uses for the land do you propose? How else densify without further sprawl?

Any housing on those kinds of stroady routes needs a buffer from the high volumes of traffic, probably with a secondary access street.

ETA: This is what I'm trying to get at: https://ronpdavis.substack.com/p/mik...orridor-zoning

[AccordTR]

KP food court is not cancelled, article just now posted on the Freep. It’s been redesigned. Goes to council in February and construction this summer if all goes to plan. Initial impressions are excellent it says.

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bu...ce-development

[bon_vivant]

Originally Posted by AccordTR

KP food court is not cancelled, article just now posted on the Freep. It’s been redesigned. Goes to council in February and construction this summer if all goes to plan. Initial impressions are excellent it says.

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bu...ce-development

Naive question: Why does something like a new mall food court have to go to council for approval? Does it have the potential to disrupt the neighbourhood in some way? Somebody in the know please enlighten me.

[Mr Tall Forehead]

If it didn’t go before council the ward councillor would have no opportunity to hustle sponsorships for next summer’s neighbourhood BBQ.

[bon_vivant]

Originally Posted by Mr Tall Forehead

If it didn’t go before council the ward councillor would have no opportunity to hustle sponsorships for next summer’s neighbourhood BBQ.

^ Hah! Seems plausible.

[cllew]

Originally Posted by bon_vivant

Naive question: Why does something like a new mall food court have to go to council for approval? Does it have the potential to disrupt the neighbourhood in some way? Somebody in the know please enlighten me.

The whole KP mall is under a development agreement, any changes to its footprint have to have council approval. If the existing food court was moving to another existing area in KP as long as all the building permits are in place there would be no hearings.

There were hearings when the new outbuildings were proposed for the front parking lot too as that was a footprint change.

[AccordTR]

Originally Posted by cllew

The whole KP mall is under a development agreement, any changes to its footprint have to have council approval. If the existing food court was moving to another existing area in KP as long as all the building permits are in place there would be no hearings.

There were hearings when the new outbuildings were proposed for the front parking lot too as that was a footprint change.

^This.

Internal changes = Giver
External changes = Please Council

[bon_vivant]

Would there be any reason to reject a proposal like this? There's nothing radical about it.

[cllew]

Originally Posted by bon_vivant

Would there be any reason to reject a proposal like this? There's nothing radical about it.

A lot of this type of stuff is just an administrative process that has to be followed due to the way the development agreement was executed.

The public service will look at the paperwork and recommend approval if its not a major change.

[bon_vivant]

^ Thanks for the info!

[bomberjet]

Awesome, good news.

[cllew]

The Peavey Mart hardware chain looks likes its closing down in Canada. At first the news was just some of their eastern Canada stores now all stores are closing down including the 2 Winnipeg store and the 3 rural stores in Manitoba.

The Steinbach Peavey store is not even 1 year old. It opened in April 2024.

I had the feeling over the last 2 or 3 months when I would go in the Panet Road store something was up, as the shelves seemed to be getting less and less product on display.

I guess the Panet closing is a good news / bad news for Princess Auto. Good news is that Peavey Mart will not be next to the new Princess flagship store. The bad news is they own that whole mall so now they have to either find one large tenant or have to subdivide the space Peavey had to fill it up.