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fawd · #**11701** Posted **Jan 17, 2018, 8:16 PM**

'Not a good sign' for restaurants? That generalization isn't the case, no matter what the economic climate it. Restaurant industry is one of the HARDEST to break through AND maintain growth, let alone simply profit.

Random example. The Park downtown is having a REALLY hard time (like, close to going under)... meanwhile the Whining Pig, right next door, is KILLING it.

CrestedSaguaro · #**11702** Posted **Jan 17, 2018, 8:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by fawd

'Not a good sign' for restaurants? That generalization isn't the case, no matter what the economic climate it. Restaurant industry is one of the HARDEST to break through AND maintain growth, let alone simply profit.

Random example. The Park downtown is having a REALLY hard time (like, close to going under)... meanwhile the Whining Pig, right next door, is KILLING it.

I can see why Park may be having a rough time. I've been there 3 times and each time, service was rough. The 2nd time I went, it was 15 minutes before the server even came to our table and another 15 mins to bring us drinks.

fawd · #**11703** Posted **Jan 17, 2018, 9:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

I can see why Park may be having a rough time. I've been there 3 times and each time, service was rough. The 2nd time I went, it was 15 minutes before the server even came to our table and another 15 mins to bring us drinks.

The 'vibe' has never been right there either. They don't know if they want to be a 'food truck' place, a sports bar, a club, or what.

PHXFlyer11 · #**11704** Posted **Jan 17, 2018, 9:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

I can see why Park may be having a rough time. I've been there 3 times and each time, service was rough. The 2nd time I went, it was 15 minutes before the server even came to our table and another 15 mins to bring us drinks.

I agree 1000%. The first time i went there i waited forever. I tried again after a game, waited 10 minutes, nobody came over. I left, and never came back. Their service, drinks and food all sucks. No thanks. Not when Whinning Pig is next door.

biggus diggus · #**11705** Posted **Jan 17, 2018, 10:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by fawd

'Not a good sign' for restaurants? That generalization isn't the case, no matter what the economic climate it.

I feel you're trying to start an argument over not understanding my comment. It was simply "these places are never busy when I'm there, that's not a good sign."

Restaurant profit margins are so thin that 2-3 slow nights a week is enough to cause some serious stress.

Obadno · #**11706** Posted **Jan 17, 2018, 10:52 PM**

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news...g-contender-for-new-apple-campus-as.html

I hope the city does more for this than they did for Amazon 2

exit2lef · #**11707** Posted **Jan 17, 2018, 11:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by PHXFlyer11

I agree 1000%. The first time i went there i waited forever. I tried again after a game, waited 10 minutes, nobody came over. I left, and never came back. Their service, drinks and food all sucks. No thanks. Not when Whinning Pig is next door.

Whining Pig knows what it wants to be and accomplishes that mission effectively. The Park seems to have been trying to figure out its business model since day 1. Is it full service, counter service, bar service, or something else? Is it a home base for food trucks or does it run its own kitchen? I've had a few decent lunches there, but it feels like I'm ordering food at a movie theater concession stand. I hope the owners figure out what they're trying to accomplish and reboot.

biggus diggus · #**11708** Posted **Jan 17, 2018, 11:43 PM**

The people who work at whining pig are very friendly and seem all at the very least emotionally invested in the place, can't say the same for the park. Have been going to whining pig since they opened at least 8(?) Years ago.

TAZ4ate0 · #**11709** Posted **Jan 18, 2018, 2:57 PM**

Well, rats. Just saw the finalists list for Amazon's HQ2. There weren't any Arizona cities on the list, which of course comes as not surprising anyway. None of us were really expecting it, but I was still dreaming and holding out a tiny bit of hope.

The majority of the finalist cities are up and down the east coast. Only Los Angeles and Denver were the western cities listed. Austin is there, too. A couple of surprising finalists are Nashville, TN and Columbus, OH. Toronto is the only Canadian city on the list.

I think Amazon wants HQ2 on the East coast. I don't even hold out much hope for L.A. or Denver.

CrestedSaguaro · #**11710** Posted **Jan 18, 2018, 3:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by TAZ4ate0

Well, rats. Just saw the finalists list for Amazon's HQ2. There weren't any Arizona cities on the list, which of course comes as not surprising anyway. None of us were really expecting it, but I was still dreaming and holding out a tiny bit of hope.

The majority of the finalist cities were up and down the east coast. Only Los Angeles and Denver were the western cities listed. Austin is there, too. A couple of surprising finalists are Nashville, TN and Columbus, OH. Toronto is the only Canadian city on the list.

I think Amazon wants HQ2 on the East coast. I don't even hold out much hope for L.A. or Denver.

Phoenix had no chance with the proposal they submitted. Amazon probably laughed and pinned the proposal on their break room refrigerator like their kid's drawing.

Obadno was right about Apple. Phoenix better lay out a serious proposal. We have a high probability of landing Apple if they don't blow it with a bad proposal.

biggus diggus · #**11711** Posted **Jan 18, 2018, 3:13 PM**

I still say Austin or Atlanta with Boston as a wild card.

TAZ4ate0 · #**11712** Posted **Jan 18, 2018, 3:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

Phoenix had no chance with the proposal they submitted. Amazon probably laughed and pinned the proposal on their break room refrigerator like their kid's drawing.

Obadno was right about Apple. Phoenix better lay out a serious proposal. We have a high probability of landing Apple if they don't blow it with a bad proposal.

Landing Apple would indeed be a nice prize. Here's to hoping that Phoenix can get serious and put together an appealing proposal.

TAZ4ate0 · #**11713** Posted **Jan 18, 2018, 3:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by biggus diggus

I still say Austin or Atlanta with Boston as a wild card.

Of those three, I pick Boston or Atlanta with Austin as a wild card. Not that Austin is a bad choice, but I really think Amazon wants a East coast location.

Obadno · #**11714** Posted **Jan 18, 2018, 3:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by TAZ4ate0

Of those three, I pick Boston or Atlanta with Austin as a wild card. Not that Austin is a bad choice, but I really think Amazon wants a East coast location.

I was surprised not to see North Carolina but im thinking Atlanta will take it.

no point in having a 2nd headquarters if its not in the east, and the North is too expensive in every way from salaries to taxes to land. I think Atlanta is going to win.

biggus diggus · #**11715** Posted **Jan 18, 2018, 3:59 PM**

I agree.

PHX31 · #**11716** Posted **Jan 18, 2018, 4:05 PM**

I figured we had zero chance from the get go based on one fatal flaw: our lack of observance of day light savings time.

Half of the year we'd have the same time as Seattle, the other half we'd be an hour ahead. They'd be constantly changing times, meetings would be weird, workers and execs would always be wondering 'wait, what time is it at HQ2?', countless things would be affected in a small but not insignificant way.

I like the fact that we never change our clocks, however, we're a definite outlier and the only major city that doesn't observe day light savings time (sans Honolulu). I wonder what other kind of issues that causes in the business world.

Obadno · #**11717** Posted **Jan 18, 2018, 4:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by PHX31

I figured we had zero chance from the get go based on one fatal flaw: our lack of observance of day light savings time.

Half of the year we'd have the same time as Seattle, the other half we'd be an hour ahead. They'd be constantly changing times, meetings would be weird, workers and execs would always be wondering 'wait, what time is it at HQ2?', countless things would be affected in a small but not insignificant way.

I like the fact that we never change our clocks, however, we're a definite outlier and the only major city that doesn't observe day light savings time (sans Honolulu). I wonder what other kind of issues that causes in the business world.

In my experience it isn't too bad because the guys in home office don't give a rats a$$ about anyone not on the east coast. "oh yea a 9 am meeting for you guys is like 6 am?? Lol that sucks"

fawd · #**11718** Posted **Jan 18, 2018, 4:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Obadno

In my experience it isn't too bad because the guys in home office don't give a rats a$$ about anyone not on the east coast. "oh yea a 9 am meeting for you guys is like 6 am?? Lol that sucks"

Exactly... literally!

biggus diggus · #**11719** Posted **Jan 18, 2018, 5:05 PM**

A few guys I work real estate deals with work for companies like Verizon, Wells Fargo, etc. and they are always up having coffee at 5 in the morning to prepare for conference calls. I quite enjoy going for a hike or a bike ride instead.

PHX31 · #**11720** Posted **Jan 18, 2018, 5:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by Obadno

In my experience it isn't too bad because the guys in home office don't give a rats a$$ about anyone not on the east coast. "oh yea a 9 am meeting for you guys is like 6 am?? Lol that sucks"

Yeah, but I'm thinking about everthing you can think of. Some HQ1 guy has a deadline to get something to a person in HQ2 by 12:00pm... oops, they're an hour ahead now.