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Originally Posted by Truenorth00
Any carbon pricing scheme will disproportionately charge those who consume carbon more. And that will always be disproportionately Conservatives. Can you think of a way to reduce emissions that actually charges less to those who consume more, that would not then drive an increase in emissions (Jevon's Paradox).
As for immigration and emissions. Given that very few First Worlders are interested in moving to Canada, your prescription is basically the inverse of the Liberals here. Instead of their ridiculous growth, we'd have your ridiculous decline. After all, as one of the highest per capita emitting countries in the world, there's only 12 countries ahead of us that we could theoretically get immigrants from and lower emissions. And I doubt Canadians will be more pleased when we switch out Indians for mostly Gulf Arabs.
And again, criticism of the Liberal plan isn't an alternative. That's what I asked for. You're great at whining about the Liberals. That's not original. Plenty of that on here. Do you have actual ideas for a real emissions reduction strategy? Or do you think we should just drop the whole idea? At least be honest instead of deflecting and evasive. It's not that I think the Liberal strategy was great. There's plenty of flaws. But I can distinguish between criticizing the Liberals, criticizing the ideas (market based mechanisms) and criticizing the concept (reducing emissions). You seem intent on throwing out the baby with the bath water in a partisan rage.
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To the extent to which you believe that a country with 1% of the world’s emissions has a tangible effect on climate change then there is little point in trying to have a rational discussion.
1) Climate change is happening regardless of what Canada does. There is a reasonable argument that Canada could be a part of a global solution, but that is simply not happening. The world’s 8 largest emitters (China, US, India, Russia, Japan, Indonesia, Iran and Saudi Arabia) are doing little or nothing to reduce emissions.
2) Even if the Liberals believed Canada’s emissions were somehow significant, the Liberals have exempted major emissions from their supporters. Flights are exempt from carbon taxes (which is the major source of consumer emissions from the Liberals affluent urban supporters). They also exempted heating fuel in Atlantic Canada (the only place Liberals have rural support). These are not the actions of a government that is serious about climate change and a sign of a government that uses carbon prices to settle political scores. It is very Trumpian actually.
3) Furthermore, if the Liberals actually believed their rhetoric on climate change, they certainly would not have brought in 5 million immigrants. They would have allowed Uber prices to rise (which also would have reduced emissions).
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