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^ Those are awesome. I particularly like the last one.
     
     
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awesome pictures!

after being in atl a couple days, i think it is a more walkable city than people give it credit for
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2009, 12:45 AM
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awesome pictures!

after being in atl a couple days, i think it is a more walkable city than people give it credit for
It certainly is, I don't own a vehicle. I take MARTA (as much as I hate it) and walk. In fact once a quarter or so, I like to walk from Lenox Mall to North Avenue station just to check out the progress of things.
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It certainly is, I don't own a vehicle. I take MARTA (as much as I hate it) and walk. In fact once a quarter or so, I like to walk from Lenox Mall to North Avenue station just to check out the progress of things.
question.....do you take marta bus, rail or both?

what do you hate about it?

although i can't vouch for the bus service, it seems like the overall system gets a pretty bad rap on here, and i'm curious what makes people dislike it. personally, i think it's (at least the rail service) is pretty good when compared to alot of other major city transit systems.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2009, 2:16 PM
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2009, 2:58 PM
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I just don't like MARTA's overall customer service experience and I have been riding long enough to were I could write a book on the subject. That having been said. It's dirty, it's dark, smells like urine and the panhandlers are annoying. The trains are less of a problem, but they are still dirty (when are the ever gonna get rid of the orange rubber pole coverings that are so dirty, you can't tell what color they really are). And they stop in the middle of transit for no reason, and the conductors never give any explaination-and my biggest complaint about the rail service is there weekend service, it takes forever to get anywhere on the weekends b/c of the rail schedule.
My bus experience has been all over the map, but mostly my experience has been less than desirable. The drivers have gotten friendlier over the years, but I have had some pretty unpleasent drivers in the past. I have ridden on busses so packed with people you couldn't breath, sometimes the bus would go by me b/c they had no room to take more riders. I have the same complaint about the weekend schedule, and they are rarely on time. And would it hurt them to take care of their shelters. If I was the CEO of this company I would be ashamed of the system she inherited. This inefficient company needs to be overhauled from top to bottom.
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thanks for elaborating.

you're what i would call a frequent user, and i hear the same complaints about bus and rail from friends across the country; CTA in chicago seems particularly bad, but i hear the same from people in DC and san francisco.

i've never been able to vouch for the bus system, since i only took it infrequenty back in high school.

i will add this however; for one of the few transit systems in the country that gets little or no funding from the state AND has some of the highest ridership figures, they seem to do a decent job running the rail system. everytime i meet friends in atlanta (typically at the airport) from chicago, toronto and or california, they seem very impressed with the service and cleanliness (although it's a universal opinion that there should be more connectivity via rail).
     
     
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Having rode a number of systems (London, DC, Paris, new york etc), with regard to the train system, its actually generally fairly decent in being on time.
I take it to classes from reynoldstown to either Georgia State station or 5 points station, and i pretty much plan for a 10 minute wait max, though its usually about 5 to 2 minutes im waiting.

As for cleanliness, i think its about average; the stations dont tend to smell like urine, some of them can be a bit dark and dingy, but usually the underground ones, and some of them are kept rather nice.

Panhandling is really not a problem, in comparison to new york, its nothing, at least during the train ride. Outside of the train, well, the only place i ever have a problem is around downtown, but thats not in the stations, just downtown in general

The only real problem is that the train system doesnt go far enough. I can get to school and buckhead, but i work at urban grind in west midtown, and its almost 2 miles away from north avenue station. So instead i drive.
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thanks for elaborating.

you're what i would call a frequent user, and i hear the same complaints about bus and rail from friends across the country; CTA in chicago seems particularly bad, but i hear the same from people in DC and san francisco.

i've never been able to vouch for the bus system, since i only took it infrequenty back in high school.

i will add this however; for one of the few transit systems in the country that gets little or no funding from the state AND has some of the highest ridership figures, they seem to do a decent job running the rail system. everytime i meet friends in atlanta (typically at the airport) from chicago, toronto and or california, they seem very impressed with the service and cleanliness (although it's a universal opinion that there should be more connectivity via rail).
CTA rail service is the absolute worst I've ever been on, but the one plus side of it is that there aren't too many panhandlers to deal with, especially in the winter months. Their bus service is above average because of frequency.

The only time I've ever been annoyed by MARTA rail service was back when they were still on the token system and some con artist tried to get us to give him money for tokens because the machine was broken. I've heard that Breeze has virtually eliminated this problem.
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The City That Was Never Built

The city that 
was never built
Proposed in prosperous times, plans called for new look on Peachtree
By Rachel Tobin Ramos


The Atlanta Journal-Constitution


If you look up Peachtree Street, squint your eyes and let your mind wander, you could travel a boulevard of dreams.

Santiago Calatrava Atlanta Symphony Center has changed design plans.

Cousins Properties Fox Plaza plans are on hold until market conditions improve.

Related Group CityPlace Buckhead had 3,800 luxury condo units planned.

Tivoli Properties Mandarin Oriental plans call for 71 condos and 198 hotel rooms.
Imagine a day trip aboard the $200 million Atlanta streetcar as it travels its 14.5-mile path up Peachtree.

You could leave your condo at Fox Plaza, just across from the famous theater, then stroll up the block for a facial at a 40-story spa-hotel. Now it’s time to hop on the streetcar and head for lunch at the Mandarin Oriental and a matinee performance at the new Atlanta Symphony Center.

You could round out your day shopping the luxurious Streets of Buckhead, dining at one of its signature restaurants, and snuggling in the Egyptian cotton sheets of the flagship Hilton Hotel in Buckhead.

But this is a Peachtree that does not yet exist. All these projects — buildings and streetscapes that would redefine the city and its most famous thoroughfare — have been stalled by the unforgiving reality of the downturn. Some have been abandoned by bank financiers, and others shelved by the city’s biggest developers. Some turned into nothing more than really cool blueprints. Others are moving along, but much more slowly than anticipated.

The impact is that some areas along Peachtree are vacant lots, others demolition sites shrouded with construction fencing.

For this story, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution interviewed developers of 18 landmark projects proposed on or near the Peachtree corridor, plus three in the suburbs. These projects — amounting to nearly $9 billion in development — would have driven millions of dollars in sales, hotel and motel taxes to local and state government.

“Nobody has seen an economy like the one we’ve got now,” said Atlanta developer Ben Carter.

Peachtree Street, from downtown to Buckhead, is home to 50 percent of all jobs in the city of Atlanta, 36 percent of the city’s retail space, 24 percent of the office space and more than $10 billion of appraised value for taxable properties.

That’s according to the Peachtree Corridor Task Force, the group working on the streetcar project.

Peachtree, in other words, is arguably the economic spine of Georgia.

But this isn’t the story of what has risen on Peachtree. This is the story of the city that hasn’t been built.

There are also many projects in the suburbs on hold pending an economic recovery — the International Village in Chamblee and an expansion of Riverwood in Cobb County to name just two.

To be sure, Atlanta has seen boom and bust cycles before — each decade has had a downturn that slowed the city’s growth. Real estate and optimism are embedded in Atlanta’s DNA, and many interviewed for this story are convinced the city’s economy is fundamentally vital and strong.

But this is a historic recession — one that affects nearly every sector of the economy and nearly all parts of the real estate community.

“There’s been no one left out,” said A.J. Robinson, president of Central Atlanta Progress and a former developer with Portman Properties. “It’s happening all over the country and in some places a lot worse.”

Steve Baile, senior vice president of Daniel Corp.’s Atlanta operations, agreed.

“This is probably the biggest adjustment I’ve seen in my 20 years in the business,” he said. He’s part of the development team at 12th & Midtown, a mega-complex that will cover a four-block area along Peachtree Street.

Atlanta has an exuberant real estate market that proposed more than 130 large projects since the beginning of this decade.

About half have been built.

Baile, who moved to Atlanta from Birmingham, said he noticed that developers are quick to announce projects here.

“I’d put it at about a 50-50 hit-miss ratio,” said Baile of how many projects get built.

He said developers could announce projects for several reasons. One is to build buzz, which can help get a project off the ground. Another is to “ward off competition,” he said.

Yet for nearly each project that didn’t get built in the past decade, there is another project that did. Examples include the King & Spalding headquarters at 1180 Peachtree St., Plaza Midtown, a condo complex with a Publix in the bottom that sold out before it was completed, Terminus 100, a tower in Buckhead filled with office tenants and restaurants. New big name hotels and residences also cropped up, like the St. Regis, the Mansion and three new W Hotels.

And don’t forget Atlantic Station, the mammoth mixed-use project with homes, condos, apartments, large and small retailers and restaurants, a hotel and office towers.

But the stack of unbuilt projects — a skyline unfulfilled — also leaves questions.

Did developers overbuild the condo, office, hotel and retail markets? And most important, when will the economy come back?

A look at key real estate metrics shows just how much developers may have overshot the mark.

● Office vacancy rates rose to 17.25 percent in the second quarter, according to Richard Bowers & Co. One industry metric — absorption — shows how much space was leased or vacated in a given time period. Richard Bowers & Co. said absorption was a negative 337,690 square feet in the second quarter, meaning businesses vacated more office space than they moved into.

● Metro Atlanta’s hotel occupancy is expected to average 52.7 percent this year, according to PKF-Hospitality, down from a historical average of 64.1 percent.

● The retail vacancy rate will rise to 12.6 percent for 2009 from 9.1 percent in 2008, projected Marcus & Millichap.

And, as demand has cooled, the number of unsold condos continues to grow. According to a first-quarter report published by Coldwell Banker NRT Development Advisors, there is a four-year supply of condos in the intown areas, Midtown, Atlantic Station and Virginia-Highland.

That same report shows close to 200 condos were sold intown in the first three months of 2009, but resale numbers were still down 33 percent. Some condo developers have been holding auctions to sell off their inventories.

“The ugly truth is that we don’t know what this thing is going to look like coming out the other end,” said Baile, who says that two phases of the $2 billion plus 12th & Midtown are on hold pending leases and financing. Phase I, a condo tower is finished, and phase II — two towers for a hotel and office — is coming out of the ground.

He predicted that projects proposed on the fringes of established markets will probably fall by the wayside.

“You have to have the right product, priced correctly in the right location,” said Baile. “We like being in the path of growth. We’re not going out there to create a new city center where there’s never been one before.”

Carter, developer of the Streets of Buckhead, believes the space will eventually get absorbed.

“We will get through this,” he said. “Those towers will fill, maybe not make as much money as people wanted to, but Atlanta will eventually absorb all that space.”

One project that could change dramatically based on the economy is Trump Tower, said developer Bennett Sands, director of Wood Partners.

“I think even if we had a giant pot of money, we wouldn’t start construction until a lot of the supply in Midtown had been absorbed,” he said. “It’s just not prudent to add condo inventory into that market right now. The start of that project is a long way off at this point.”

Cousins Properties said all future developments are on hold until market conditions improve. That effects Fox Plaza, a proposed 30-story condo tower near the Fox Theatre, where there’s now a vacant lot after Cousins demolished the existing building. And three more buildings at Terminus are stalled. Carter is proceeding with cautious optimism. He will restart construction on Phase I of his $1.5 billion luxury retail project in September with no hotels, though three were proposed. Plans for Starwood to build the first U.S. outpost of Baccarat are canceled, said Carter.

“The reason we didn’t go forward is because to make a luxury hotel work requires condos on top,” said Carter. “We decided it was not feasible.”

He also scrapped an office tower for the former Three Dollar Café site, a piece of land he decided not to buy and is still for sale.

Others projects, like the spa-hotel envisioned for the former Agatha’s Mystery Theater/Bridgetown Grill site will never get built. Freemont Realty Capital bought the lots in 2006. Within 12 months, plans for the spa-hotel were tabled.

“In most places, we got out with great returns, but we got caught in a few,” said Matt Reidy, managing director of Freemont Realty. “It happened very quickly.”

There could be a silver lining to the economic murk, however, said Central Atlanta Progress’ Robinson. He said Atlanta’s assets — including new condos, hotels, retail and office space — will have gotten cheaper to rent or buy. That in turn could attract new residents and businesses.

“Somebody is going to recognize that at some point and take advantage of it,” he said.

Reidy agreed: “Atlanta’s a very vibrant place. You still see job creation. It’s just a matter of time.”


Contributing to this story were staff writers Leon Stafford ([email protected]), Michelle E. Shaw ([email protected]), Gertha Coffee ([email protected]) and Dan Chapman ([email protected]).
     
     
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Cousins Properties said all future developments are on hold until market conditions improve. That effects Fox Plaza, a proposed 30-story condo tower near the Fox Theatre, where there’s now a vacant lot after Cousins demolished the existing building.
Should be "affects" Fox Plaza.
     
     
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It certainly is, I don't own a vehicle. I take MARTA (as much as I hate it) and walk. In fact once a quarter or so, I like to walk from Lenox Mall to North Avenue station just to check out the progress of things.
funny, i do the same (lenox to north).

i don't find atl too unwalkable near the core in the sense that there are typically sidewalks, and, if one has a lot of time, the extended walks can be pleasant and a good workout.

on the other hand, i find that atl is not optimal for walking in terms of the land use patterns. most neighborhoods tend to be smaller and unless one is satisfied with what those have to offer and/or live where they work, trips to other retail pockets are rather long walks and often involve walking along streets that feel more like highways.

along the same line [pun intended] it's the single greatest criticism i have of the marta system. the rail system is essentially a cross with a split north of lindbergh. which makes a lot of trips impractical wrt time. so say if one is near inman/candler park, even somewhat near the station, most people aren't going to walk, wait for the west bound train, switch at 5P and wait again, then head up north. they'll likely just drive up N Highland or perhaps even take the highway.

now one could take a bus, but then enter some of the aforementioned issues with that service. and even if they did run on time, etc. one would still be left with transfers, high trip time and a considerable amount of walking (think it's said most won't walk more than 1/4 mile or some such and that's probably hard to do in most cases).

of course, imho, it probably isn't fair to blame marta. seems odd to scatter land use far and wide over a relatively short period of time and then point the finger at a mass transit system. hate to say it as a ped, but this will be a heavily car dominated city for some time to come.

and to preempt i'll inculpate myself for posting this in construction, but the convo was there so...
     
     
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“You have to have the right product, priced correctly in the right location,” said Baile. “We like being in the path of growth. We’re not going out there to create a new city center where there’s never been one before.”
I think this statement is brilliant, we've had discussions about this topic on numerous occasions. Developers building all over the city instead of focusing on Downtown and Midtown giving the city a stronger central core. I've always wondered what was the purpose of building a 30 story building miles away from a major interstate and established neighborhoods, yet in Atlanta this seems to be the norm. But if the opposite is what's driving 12th & Midtown, it's now obvious why this development has taken off. And thus far they seem to be doing a good job of mixing quality retail and restaurants, good street presence, pedestrian intimacy and architecture into one massive development.
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I think this statement is brilliant, we've had discussions about this topic on numerous occasions. Developers building all over the city instead of focusing on Downtown and Midtown giving the city a stronger central core. I've always wondered what was the purpose of building a 30 story building miles away from a major interstate and established neighborhoods, yet in Atlanta this seems to be the norm. But if the opposite is what's driving 12 & Midtown, it's now obvious why this development has taken off. And thus far they seem to be doing a good job of mixing quality retail and restaurants, good street presence, pedestrian intimacy and architecture into one massive development.
And therein lies Atlanta's future:if Atlanta 's leadership comprehends the value of that line of thinking as an emphasis and not an exclusion, then the city, region and state can continue to compete successfully in the global marketplace, a stage increasingly dominated by the global urban centers. The type of collaboration that this comprehension brings will attract the various federal,state and private resources that promise not only success but sustainability as well.
     
     
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wondering if anyone has any insight into how GDOT plans to treat the (green shaded areas) on the 14th st/7585 connector rework? it looks like there will be a fairly significant non-traffic median running from 10th to 17th between 75 and 85, but i can't tell from the GDOT plans how it will be finished.

also wondering about the gap between techwood and the connector.....i assume it will be lots of bare pavement, but it'd be nice to see some type of greenery.

anybody?

     
     
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14th Street Update

Interstate Lane Closures to Cause Heavy Traffic This Weekend

Please be aware that the Georgia Department of Transportation will be setting beams for the new 17th Street off-ramp this coming weekend, requiring the closure of several lanes of traffic. On subsequent weekends, the Georgia DOT will be resurfacing the Interstate. Both of these activities are part of the 14th Street Bridge Improvement Project. The new bridge and its adjacent roadways are expected to open ahead of schedule in early fall.
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