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Old Posted Oct 20, 2016, 4:14 PM
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There's a perfectly good piece of land out on the Hump Yard road that would be perfect for a new school to replace Hillcrest and Bessborough.
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We don't need prefab schools. On the contrary, we need durable school buildings that can last 100 years or more.

Schools are important anchors for neighbourhoods. They help to give a community a focal point and a meeting place. They shouldn't be disposable.

Having said this, I'm not adverse to combining Hillcrest and Bessborough. The enrolment at Hillcrest is pretty small and could be accommodate by a modest expansion at Bessborough.

It's hard for me to believe that Bessborough needs replacing. It's actually one of the more modern looking anglophone schools in the older part of Moncton. It's also got a perfect location at the centre of the New West End. In order to find the land necessary to build a replacement school, they would have to look further afield. I would hate to see a reprise of the Moncton High School fiasco......

Pur my vote down for a refurbishment (and a minor expansion) of Bessborough, and the closure of Hillcrest.
The prefab's I'm talking about are probably not what you're thinking of "Moncton Rad" There are actually Prefab schools/school sections you would not realize where built in sections. The companies who build these schools also pride themselves in building other types of businesses as well like Fast food restaurants, Gas station.convenience stores, and even shopping strips, and have not had any issues with water infiltration, or mold issues. They are well sealed together to avoid any cracks where water can penetrate, and even claded in your preferred material be it Stone, Brick, or even siding.

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There's a perfectly good piece of land out on the Hump Yard road that would be perfect for a new school to replace Hillcrest and Bessborough.
I was thinking more the old unused farmland by the Allison United Baptist Church, or even Allison Creek Wines. I think there is a big enough empty plot of land there.


No but kidding aside I had talked to a friend of mine who had worked on the St Bernadette School, and he said from what had been said by the Anglophone School board they would follow that example but there are a few problems. 1. School is still in session while construction work is being done, and 2 Safety because of the Construction while kids are in School.

There is another issue if they put both schools together the Province would potentially be stuck with at least 1 if not both plots of land ti'll something can be done with it/them Unless the either the city, or some private organization is taking over the property/properties.

There is also the little issue with what the potential school would look like (Size), and the lack of land in the area that could accommodate such a structure with everything else.
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Old Posted Oct 25, 2016, 12:07 AM
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...I had talked to a friend of mine who had worked on the St Bernadette School, and he said from what had been said by the Anglophone School board they would follow that example but there are a few problems. 1. School is still in session while construction work is being done, and 2 Safety because of the Construction while kids are in School.

There is another issue if they put both schools together the Province would potentially be stuck with at least 1 if not both plots of land ti'll something can be done with it/them Unless the either the city, or some private organization is taking over the property/properties.

There is also the little issue with what the potential school would look like (Size), and the lack of land in the area that could accommodate such a structure with everything else.
I realize that I am under a different school district, but my real life contradiction is the current building of the new West Saint John elementary school which has been ongoing for the last two years all while the kids lost their playground and had to endure pounding machinery during rock removal and construction.

So goodbye soccer field, and hello new three story school to replace the two others.
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Old Posted Oct 25, 2016, 12:25 AM
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It isn't an ideal situation to lose the school fields for a year while construction is ongoing, but that's far preferable to having the school removed from the neighbourhood permanently.

Consolidating Bessborough and Hillcrest makes sense to me. I doubt it would be that hard to sell the Hillcrest lot for redevelopment. Being right on the lake would be perfect for condos or apartments.
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Old Posted Oct 25, 2016, 4:57 AM
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I realize that I am under a different school district, but my real life contradiction is the current building of the new West Saint John elementary school which has been ongoing for the last two years all while the kids lost their playground and had to endure pounding machinery during rock removal and construction.

So goodbye soccer field, and hello new three story school to replace the two others.
Here they did the same in District 1 so I understand But as you said it's goodbye fields during construction then Hello New school, and the old build is demolished, and fields replaced. At least that's how they did it here for St Bernadette.

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It isn't an ideal situation to lose the school fields for a year while construction is ongoing, but that's far preferable to having the school removed from the neighbourhood permanently.

Consolidating Bessborough and Hillcrest makes sense to me. I doubt it would be that hard to sell the Hillcrest lot for redevelopment. Being right on the lake would be perfect for condos or apartments.
I agree with you that Hilcrest is probably in one of the best re-development sites outside of Downtown. So it should be easy to sell to a developer to re-purpose the site. I just hope if this plan goes through they build a school that will fit the students, and take in mind there might be an expansion of the student population in the future.

*Hint* Counting Hilcrest School lot. There are at least 2 lots within walking distance to Bessborough that could have larger apartment developments, and at least 2 more that would accommodate 12-24 Units. there are also several lots that could potentially accommodate 6-16 units(If the city allows land zoning changes).
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At the GMCC Business Excellence Awards, Event Sponsor Danny Murphy announced in a packed room at th Delta he is closing a deal to purchase the Keg and the Fairfield Inn and Suites here in Moncton.
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2016, 3:01 PM
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At the GMCC Business Excellence Awards, Event Sponsor Danny Murphy announced in a packed room at th Delta he is closing a deal to purchase the Keg and the Fairfield Inn and Suites here in Moncton.
Danny seems to be making a move into Moncton big time with his investments.

And to think I went to high school with him in Charlottetown. I wasn't a friend of his, but I remember him - a jock and a slacker. Now he's a multimillionaire businessman. Who would have guessed.........

And another interesting business tidbit.

Medavie Blue Cross (based in Moncton) has more than one million members and is the largest provider of Blue Cross insurance services in Canada. It's a true pillar of the Moncton business community.
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A little colour (or black & white) for the page.



Aerial photo of Moncton, looking to the southwest with the CN marshalling yards in the background.

I'm not sure about the date, but i'm guessing the 1940s.
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2016, 6:03 PM
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A little colour (or black & white) for the page.



Aerial photo of Moncton, looking to the southwest with the CN marshalling yards in the background.

I'm not sure about the date, but i'm guessing the 1940s.
Awesome picture! I believe the tallest building closest to the CN tracks in the upper right corner is Heritage Court. It would have been around just over 20 years old if that picture was taken in the 1940's. So neat to see how much has changed over the decades. Moncton was so industrial looking.

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Aerial photo of Moncton, looking to the southwest with the CN marshalling yards in the background.

I'm not sure about the date, but i'm guessing the 1940s.
It is strange to see old pictures of Downtown, and what it looked like before Highfield Square was built you see the CNR Offices, and the Telephone companies building with a massive empty lot next door. Also all the Buildings south of Main Street that seem to be a mix of Housing, and Industrial/Manufacturing buildings.

Might just be me but. It makes me realize how far Moncton has changed , and how far we have come as a community throughout the years. Makes me appreciate it a whole lot more.

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A little colour (or black & white) for the page.



Aerial photo of Moncton, looking to the southwest with the CN marshalling yards in the background.

I'm not sure about the date, but i'm guessing the 1940s.
This is exactly the picture I try to describe to folks who like to compare Moncton to other cities around here with denser cores a la Freddy, SJ, Hali and even Charlottetown...those places were all developed quite a bit more by this point. Moncton only hit it's stride in urban development after the 1950s when influence of "car culture" was overwhelming. It's actually pretty awesome the downtown we ended up with given the pressure to build out not up...thankfully that trend is reversing now in general.

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Thought I'd throw this in here:

Majority support the amalgamation of Dieppe, Riverview and Moncton into a single municipal unit

HALIFAX, NS November 22, 2016: A majority of residents in the greater Moncton area (Census Metropolitan Area or CMA) support the amalgamation of Dieppe, Riverview and Moncton into a single municipal unit, according to the most recent survey conducted by Corporate Research Associates Inc.

Specifically, six in ten (60%) completely or mostly support the amalgamation into one municipal unit, while one-quarter (27%) completely or mostly oppose. Less than one in ten neither support nor oppose (7%), or do not know or do not offer an opinion on the matter (7%).

Majority support is not consistent across the CMA, however. Just over one-half (53%) of Riverview residents oppose amalgamation, while one-third (35%) are supportive. In all other areas, there is majority support for amalgamation. Specifically, at least six in ten residents from Moncton (65%), Dieppe (65%), and other parts of the CMA (62%) support amalgamation. Interestingly, Francophones (68%) are more likely than Anglophones (55%) to support amalgamation.

More: https://cra.ca/majority-support-the-amal...nd-moncton-into-a-single-municipal-unit/

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I would've expected Dieppe to be as opposed to the idea as Riverview, and for anglophones in general to be more in favour.

Radio-Canada: http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1001...ton-riverview-fait-reagir-dans-la-region

Acadie Nouvelle: http://www.acadienouvelle.com/actualites...cophones-faveur-de-fusion-grand-moncton/
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That caught me off guard this morning. Was this just a random poll by CRA or has the amalgamation discussion been brought up again by the Gov?
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That caught me off guard this morning. Was this just a random poll by CRA or has the amalgamation discussion been brought up again by the Gov?
Random poll as far as I can tell.

I think it's pretty obvious why the majority Anglophone Riverview would want no part of Moncton or Dieppe despite how dependent Riverview residents are on their neighbouring communities.

Still, the region absolutely needs to amalgamate in the next ten years. You're only going to see more duplication and red tape without.
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Still, the region absolutely needs to amalgamate in the next ten years. You're only going to see more duplication and red tape without.
Yeah, but how will it remain a flagship of redundancy for a province that is the model of same?
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Random poll as far as I can tell.

I think it's pretty obvious why the majority Anglophone Riverview would want no part of Moncton or Dieppe despite how dependent Riverview residents are on their neighbouring communities.

Still, the region absolutely needs to amalgamate in the next ten years. You're only going to see more duplication and red tape without.
Glad you brought up Riverview with amalgamation. I was talking to Friends in Riverview, and there not sure if it's just there parents, grandparents, and family friends talking, or if it could be a thing. But what was being said was instead of amalgamating Riverview Riverview would amalgamate with other communities south west of the Peticodiac river, and potential become it's own CMA. Not sure if it would happen but you never really do know ti'll something is done right?
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The sample for this poll was pretty small, they only asked 400 people and there is no indication on how many came from each community. I agree however, amalgamation is long overdue and if Dieppe is on board then the government should move quickly to get this done, but I'm not holding my breath on anything to come out of Fredericton on this.
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Glad you brought up Riverview with amalgamation. I was talking to Friends in Riverview, and there not sure if it's just there parents, grandparents, and family friends talking, or if it could be a thing. But what was being said was instead of amalgamating Riverview Riverview would amalgamate with other communities south west of the Peticodiac river, and potential become it's own CMA. Not sure if it would happen but you never really do know ti'll something is done right?
Riverview is already part of the Moncton CMA. There is no precedent at StatsCan to ever subdivide a CMA. This will never happen.

Also, there is not nearly enough people in all of Albert County to justify this. You need a core population of 50,000 people and a watershed of at least 100,000 people to be considered a CMA.

Nope, not ever gonna happen.......
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The sample for this poll was pretty small, they only asked 400 people and there is no indication on how many came from each community. I agree however, amalgamation is long overdue and if Dieppe is on board then the government should move quickly to get this done, but I'm not holding my breath on anything to come out of Fredericton on this.
The small sample size is significant. They may not have asked the right people their opinions (especially in Dieppe).

Now that the Acadian nationalists have been notified, expect a strong backlash in the next several weeks.........
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I think that before we go amalgamating the boundaries need to be expanded to prevent further urban sprawl. In Moncton they should expand to include Berry Mills, Allison & Ammon, probably Lakeville too. Riverview should expand to just south of Niagara road and include Lower Coverdale. Dieppe should simply follow the TCH until roughly exit 480 and then as straight as possible go straight back over to the river.
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