YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by nname

Or Johnny is becoming inactive in the forum

That would be sad

Originally Posted by nname

Also there is the Air China change - YVR-PEK is now 1x daily 77WHD and 1x daily 333

Was this announced/confirmed? I didn't see it anywhere.

Originally Posted by nname

wrt BNE - at least they it still maintains a daily service instead of dropping down to 3-4x weekly... or it could be a reduction to coincide with a MEL launch (I wonder if there will be any new route for W17.. if there are, announcement should be coming soon)

I was hoping for an increase to YVR-DEL next winter, but as far as I can tell from the bilateral we are maxed out on service to DEL between the daily Toronto and 3xPW of YVR. There's still room into Mumbai though so if DEL was successful maybe they can replicate the frequencies into Mumbai (7xPW from YYZ 3xPW from YVR).

At the very least all this speculation should be enough to bring Johnny out of his slumber to tell us why we're all wrong

[SFUVancouver]

I flew back to YVR on Wednesday and got to go through the revised customs hall. Everyone now is grouped together to use the new kiosks. It was pretty slow going as a lot of people needed hand-holding from staff and the layout of the screens was a bit counter intuitive (the "continue" button is on the bottom right corner of these giant screens and it wasn't necessarily clear once you chose your answer that you then needed to press continue. At a couple of points I thought that the system was thinking when in fact I just needed to press continue.

It will get worked out, but for Canadians it will be slower than the older system.

[TransitJack]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

I flew back to YVR on Wednesday and got to go through the revised customs hall. Everyone now is grouped together to use the new kiosks. It was pretty slow going as a lot of people needed hand-holding from staff and the layout of the screens was a bit counter intuitive (the "continue" button is on the bottom right corner of these giant screens and it wasn't necessarily clear once you chose your answer that you then needed to press continue. At a couple of points I thought that the system was thinking when in fact I just needed to press continue.

It will get worked out, but for Canadians it will be slower than the older system.

How about it you DL the App have have it all ready to go, do you get to go to another queue?

I assume that the system isn't integrated into existing Nexus lines, so you need to line up 2x?

[mezzanine]

Old hat now? BA's A380 returns for seasonal service today:


YVR twitter


Also from twitter, also seasonal starting today-ish, Icelandair to KEF
IIRC, it will also be the last year of the 747s from EVA and China Airlines in the background (to be replaced by newer planes).

[excel]

Great pictures.

[connect2source]

I wonder if BA will be the last carrier using 747-400's to YVR once EVA and China Airlines stop sending theirs.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by nname

wrt BNE - at least they it still maintains a daily service instead of dropping down to 3-4x weekly... or it could be a reduction to coincide with a MEL launch

Brisbane is a city with a tight similarity in metro population to Vancouver. It's the closest city to the Gold Coast, from Canada, and to Canada itself.
However ..... my understanding was, especially that the AUS - Canada bilaterals have been so largely expanded, that once 789s were freed up, a YVR-MEL route was sure to follow.
Yet despite whispers, I hear little of this, despite Melbourne, a booming city pushing 5million, and expected to outgrow Sydney withing 20 years.
Does anyone have any information about the possibility of an upcoming YVR - MEL run? The hour would seem to be approaching. Thank you.

[Canadian74]

Canadian airlines are limited to 2 points in Australia I believe, Sydney and 1 other city??

[MalcolmTucker]

Originally Posted by Canadian74

Canadian airlines are limited to 2 points in Australia I believe, Sydney and 1 other city??

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?nid=1025239

The Honourable Marc Garneau, Minister of Transport, today announced an expanded Canada-Australia Air Transport Agreement, effective immediately, which allows airlines to serve any number of cities in Canada and Australia.

Under this expanded agreement, capacity available to Canadian and Australian airlines for services to Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth will increase from 3,000 to 6,000 seats per week for each country effective immediately, and then increase to 9,000 seats starting in December 2016.

[Gordon]

Is it possible to fly non-stop any from other Canadian city to Australia?

[MalcolmTucker]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Is it possible to fly non-stop any from other Canadian city to Australia?

With the 777-200LR yeah. But you run into issues for sure.

You don't save a major amount of distance over stopping in YVR:


I imagine you run into issues with your crew as well, and may have to fly with the equivalent of two full crews, maybe even 2.5 as you're probably at 19 hours of door closed time.

So would people pay a premium to save an hour and a half?

[nname]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Was this announced/confirmed? I didn't see it anywhere.

It was on airlineroute twitter a while ago... Just check google flights between July 22 and Aug 31, and you'll see 2 CA flights everyday.


And just as we are talking about Australia...

Virgin Australia applied for codeshare for AC's flights between Australia and Canada, between points in Canada, and between Canada and US.

Air Canada applied for codeshare for VA's flights between points in Australia and between Australia and New Zealand.

Source

[nname]

China Eastern upgauge PVG-YVR from A330-200 (33H) C30Y202 to A330-300 (33L) C31Y261 starting July.

Source

[connect2source]

Westjet orders 10 787-10's with options of 10 more.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on...sition-with-boeing-deal/article34871959/

http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1232

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by connect2source

Westjet orders 10 787-10's with options of 10 more.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on...sition-with-boeing-deal/article34871959/

http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1232

Wow! Didn't expect Westjet to jump straight into a 78J right off the bat. This is a fascinating development.

Edit: It looks like they ordered 10 789s with options for 10 more 787s, model TBD.

WestJet announced today a definitive purchase agreement with The Boeing Company for up to 20 Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner aircraft. This agreement includes commitments for 10 Boeing 787-9 aircraft to be delivered between the first quarter of 2019 and December 2021, with options for an additional 10 aircraft to be delivered between 2020 and 2024. The airline also announced it has selected General Electric's GEnx-1B engine for the 787.

http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1232

[connect2source]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Wow! Didn't expect Westjet to jump straight into a 78J right off the bat. This is a fascinating development.

Edit: It looks like they ordered 10 789s with options for 10 more 787s, model TBD.



http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1232

Westjet edited it, earlier this morning it said the reverse, I wish I had screen-capped it, must have been in-error.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Wow! Didn't expect Westjet to jump straight into a 78J right off the bat. This is a fascinating development.

Edit: It looks like they ordered 10 789s with options for 10 more 787s, model TBD.

... getting big ...

http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1232

Originally Posted by connect2source

Westjet edited it, earlier this morning it said the reverse, I wish I had screen-capped it, must have been in error.

even so ...
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Given a purchase like this, give that already WJ bites 34.6% out of domestic revenue, is already obliging AC to seek further overseas destinations; and extrapolating five+ years, it seems that WJ is going to give AC a real hotfoot. A Canadian version of 'Norwegian' springs to mind. Norway's a wealthy, and expensive country. If with such high overheads, they can make it pay at discount rates... Why not WJ? Or does Norwegian get petrodollar subsidies? If the playing field is uneven, forget it, but if even, a toe-to-toe with AC might be prime-time viewing.

[sacrifice333]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

even so ...
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Given a purchase like this, give that already WJ bites 34.6% out of domestic revenue, is already obliging AC to seek further overseas destinations; and extrapolating five+ years, it seems that WJ is going to give AC a real hotfoot. A Canadian version of 'Norwegian' springs to mind. Norway's a wealthy, and expensive country. If with such high overheads, they can make it pay at discount rates... Why not WJ? Or does Norwegian get petrodollar subsidies? If the playing field is uneven, forget it, but if even, a toe-to-toe with AC might be prime-time viewing.

Hopefully this means they ditch the 767s that have plagued their European routes.

[connect2source]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

even so ...
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Given a purchase like this, give that already WJ bites 34.6% out of domestic revenue, is already obliging AC to seek further overseas destinations; and extrapolating five+ years, it seems that WJ is going to give AC a real hotfoot. A Canadian version of 'Norwegian' springs to mind. Norway's a wealthy, and expensive country. If with such high overheads, they can make it pay at discount rates... Why not WJ? Or does Norwegian get petrodollar subsidies? If the playing field is uneven, forget it, but if even, a toe-to-toe with AC might be prime-time viewing.

Agreed, although I think Westjet is looking far more like Canadi>n at this point, gradually evolving into another legacy carrier. Norwegian short-haul is more of an ULCC model, Westjet is pretty much a legacy model domestically at this point. Their long-haul is in it's infancy still but more resembles a Zoom or Fly Globespan with their ancient 767's and lack of any onboard amenities. Norwegian long-haul is flying brand-new 787's.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by connect2source

Agreed, although I think Westjet is looking far more like Canadi>n at this point, gradually evolving into another legacy carrier. Norwegian short-haul is more of an ULCC model, Westjet is pretty much a legacy model domestically at this point. Their long-haul is in it's infancy still but more resembles a Zoom or Fly Globespan with their ancient 767's and lack of any onboard amenities. Norwegian long-haul is flying brand-new 787's.

True, but won't the announcement of Westjet's purchase of 20 787s over the next five years make long haul (presumably at a lower cost in keeping with company policy), feasible?