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Like I've mentioned, I'm okay with this as long as the reason is they're buying 20 years give or take until the truly massive rebuild/reimagination is ready to go.
I don't know what massive rebuild you're talking about. What they're working on now is the rebuild. Penn Station is, and always has been underground. That's what they are working on. They are smart now in making the distinction between the rebuilding of Penn Station, and the expansion of Penn Station, which Hochul confused many people with by trying to combine the elements.



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The plans show they're making the station all one single level to maximize ceiling heights which is smart.

The change should be dramatic enough for people to feel like it's a "new" station.

It will be. The rebuilding of the 33rd Street passageway alone shows what a dramatic improvement the enlargement and integration into a single level will be. They still plan on "daylighting" the station, it's just not clear at this point if the dramatic mid-block opening will be built.








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Old Posted Feb 4, 2025, 11:02 PM
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https://www.railway-technology.com/news/frontier-kemper-manhattan-tunnel-contract/

Frontier-Kemper-Tutor-Perini JV wins $1.18bn Manhattan Tunnel contract
The project serves as an essential element of Hudson Tunnel Project, with construction slated to begin shortly and aiming for completion by 2029.



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The Gateway Development Commission (GDC) has awarded the Manhattan Tunnel Project contract to the Frontier-Kemper-Tutor-Perini joint venture (JV) and has authorised notice to proceed with construction.

The contract was awarded following a competitive bidding process, with proposals evaluated by an expert panel from the GDC, the State of New York, The New Jersey Transit Corporation (NJ Transit), The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey (PANYNJ), and Amtrak.

The JV was chosen based on technical and cost proposals, with the total contract price approved at $1.18bn.

The Manhattan Tunnel Project is a “critical” component of the broader Hudson Tunnel Project (HTP), with construction expected to begin in the coming months and substantial completion targeted for 2029.

The project involves building new tunnel sections in New York City, US, from the Manhattan Bulkhead in the Hudson River to the Hudson Yards Concrete Casing.

It will design and construct approximately 700ft of twin 30ft diameter tunnels, with a portion becoming a permanent structure east of 12th Avenue.
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That seems like a lot for just the very short section that will be in Manhattan. 700 feet for 1.2 billion... wow, what a deal.
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I hope that they are taking into account double tracking this stretch of the Empire Corridor Tunnel with all of the work on the Hudson Tunnels.



Any meaningful expansion of service on the Maple Leaf, Lake Shore Limited, Ethan Allen, Adirondack. Berkshire Flyer and Empire Service routes, and the Metro North Penn Station Access Phase will require this bottleneck to be removed.
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That seems like a lot for just the very short section that will be in Manhattan. 700 feet for 1.2 billion... wow, what a deal.
I think this includes building the TBM launch box on the Manhattan side, but I would think this would cost half as much. I think the tunnel section they are working on now below the high line was around 300 million
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Moving MSG across Seventh would be ideal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/11/nyregion/penn-station-madison-square-garden.html



A New Pitch to Fix Penn Station: Move Madison Square Garden
With few signs of progress on a proposed redevelopment project, one group is hoping to move the famous arena.
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This is in Vornado's interest. It would improve this area DRAMATICALLY, and, thereby, increase the value of its other properties. Could you imagine the allure of an iconic office tower on the Gimbel's site, for example, if this shabby neighborhood is suddenly sparkling and nice?
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Keep Gimbels. Restore it. Line up floorplates with new MSG on that corner. Fill it up with retailers/attractions that could work as MSG adjacent. Take down everything else. Have MSG border on 7th and straddle 33rd. I've google map measured it a hundred times. A new MSG could fit and if designed innovatively could also accommodate towers on the corners. Two grand entrances on 6th and 7th with totally new, expanded and modernized underground connections. Additional platforms for Penn could even be built under this footprint.

It could be amazing.
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Every few years, a group of people come up with the totally original, and very unique idea to move Madison Square Garden, as if that will magically fix everything that is wrong with Penn Station. Here's a hint - it won't. But that doesn't matter, these people already know this isn't going anywhere. I'll give it to them though, this plan is one of the worst I've seen yet.



https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/11/nyregion/penn-station-madison-square-garden.html

A New Pitch to Fix Penn Station: Move Madison Square Garden
With few signs of progress on a proposed redevelopment project, one group is hoping to move the famous arena.






By Stefanos Chen and Patrick McGeehan
March 11, 2025


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Nearly two years after New York’s governor, Kathy Hochul, vowed to fast-track the long-overdue redesign of Pennsylvania Station, little has changed for the Manhattan transit hub that she once called a “hellhole.”

Two serious renovation proposals — one from the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, the other from a private developer — have both been stalled for months, leaving some to wonder if the project was dead.

Now, an influential interest group is proposing a different approach: Move Madison Square Garden, which sits on top of the station, across the street and replace it with a much bigger train hall and a park.
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The latest plan is proposing to pay for the construction of a new sports arena on a site that includes the former Hotel Pennsylvania on Seventh Avenue, in exchange for the right to demolish the current Garden.

The new train hall, unencumbered by the arena, could double the station’s capacity to 48 trains per hour, provide a suite of new safety and accessibility features and address riders’ biggest complaints about the cramped station, said Alexandros Washburn, who is leading the project for Grand Penn Community Alliance.

There would also be room to create a sprawling green space, similar in size to Bryant Park, that would effectively serve as a giant backyard for a new 125-foot-tall train hall.
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The plan would require an as-yet unnamed developer to buy the site of the Hotel Pennsylvania, which was demolished in 2023, as well as several adjacent properties, for about $1.3 billion. The construction of a new sports arena would cost around $2.3 billion, and the new Penn Station would cost another $4 billion. Construction would begin with the new arena, so as not to disrupt programming. The entire project would take about 11 years.

But the project faces complex challenges.

Much of the proposed site for a new arena is owned by Vornado, the real estate firm that had sought to build up to 10 nearby skyscrapers, mostly dedicated to office space, as part of a plan to fund improvements in the area. The pandemic stalled that plan, and Governor Hochul announced in 2023 that the redesign of Penn Station would no longer rely on revenue from its development.

Mr. Washburn said that his group has met with Vornado about buying the proposed site and that they showed interest.
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Then there is the Garden, which is controlled by companies led by James Dolan, the mercurial billionaire who has resisted past calls to relocate the arena. Mr. Washburn said the move would benefit the nearly 60-year-old venue because the new site would allow for easier truck access and other modern amenities. A move, he added, could also help Mr. Dolan secure a permanent license for the arena after years of negotiating temporary extensions.

MSG Entertainment, which operates the Garden, did not respond to requests for comment.
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A spokeswoman for Ms. Hochul said in a statement that the governor was “laser focused on fixing Penn Station now” and that the state would solicit proposals from the private sector, but did not provide a timeline.

The M.T.A. had previously said that it would reach a critical design goal by last summer, at which point it would revise the budget and solicit proposals from bidders. But that has not yet happened.
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Yet another plan was unveiled last week by Assemblyman Tony Simone, a Democrat whose district includes Penn Station, and other elected officials. Their plan ruled out taking any private property and focused on constructing more residential buildings centered around a large park on the former site of the Hotel Pennsylvania.

Mr. Simone called on Ms. Hochul to reopen the planning process and “engage the community on a housing-first plan.” Mr. Simone said he had pitched his idea to Vornado, and it had not been rejected.




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I can't imagine that any of these people actually have to come in to the city through Penn Station. Because I can promise you, what people are concerned with most is first, getting up from the platforms (which itself can take time because of crowding and lack of egress), and the getting up and out of the station itself. NO ONE is thinking about recreating a grand station from the early 1900's, because people are busy, and have places to be (and more times than not, are likely late already). This is just for people who fetishize the "olden times", and don't realize that there's a beautiful train hall across the street (Moynihan) that caters to long distance travelers. There was a reason the original Penn was as grand as it was.



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I use Penn periodically, and it’s lousy even with the recent “improvements,” and the same is true of MSG. The Rangers and Knicks deserve an arena as good as UBS or Barclays, if not better.

I was unaware that removing the prison that sits above Penn would permit so many extra trains to run each hour.

The World’s Most Hideous Arena must go! MSG is vile.

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Under the premise that it would execute the long-deferred overhaul of the nation’s largest transit hub with greater efficiency, the Trump administration’s Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy announced late Thursday it was withdrawing the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) from leading the reconstruction effort of Penn Station, claiming cost overruns, and replacing the agency with Amtrak as the project lead.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/17/nyregion/trump-penn-station-nyc.html

Trump Administration Says It Will Take Over Renovation of Penn Station
The head of the federal Department of Transportation promised on Thursday to take away control of the project from the Metropolitan Transportation Authority.

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The head of the federal Department of Transportation said on Thursday that the Trump administration would take control of the renovation of Pennsylvania Station away from the Metropolitan Transportation Authority.

The move appeared to be the latest salvo in a running confrontation between the Trump administration and New York’s transportation agency, which began when the federal transportation secretary, Sean Duffy, ordered the state to end its congestion pricing program.

The station, one of the busiest and also most maligned transit hubs in the world, has for decades been on the verge of a huge overhaul to remedy its cramped and dreary corridors. But the competing priorities of local, state and federal stakeholders have made progress difficult.

It was not immediately clear what the administration’s vision for Penn Station might look like. Nor was it known whether the administration supports one of the various proposals for renovating or expanding the station....
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https://nypost.com/2025/04/17/us-news/tr...ts-feds-in-charge-blank-checks-are-over/

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Amtrak will spearhead the revamp as the feds champion a “public-private partnership model,” announced Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy.

Gov. Kathy Hochul had been engaged in tense face-to-face talks with Trump over Penn Station — and recently even floated the idea of renaming the nearby Moynihan Train Hall after him as a way to ingratiate herself with the real estate magnate-turned-president, The Post reported.

Hochul hailed it as a win for the Empire State.

“In multiple meetings with President Trump, I requested that the federal government fund the long-overdue overhaul of Penn Station. Clearly that effort has been successful, and I want to thank the President and Secretary Duffy for taking on the sole responsibility to deliver the beautiful new $7 billion station that New Yorkers deserve,” she said in a statement.
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Don't be. We could finally see some action. When you make such a move, you better be prepared to deliver. Besides, Amtrak does actually own the place. Let the FEDS pay.
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