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Old Posted Mar 21, 2010, 9:19 PM
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Not sure if anyone saw this last night...Don Cherry talks about how Winnipeg is the best choice for coyotes relocation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sZFF-ZxWOI
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http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...realities.html

Campbell's Cuts: Rumors of relocation

Ken Campbell
2010-03-22 14:10:00

There seems to be no shortage of talk concerning relocation these days. And if any or all of it comes to pass, it will result in seismic shifts in both the geography and economics of the NHL.

There are those who are plugged in at the ownership level who maintain there’s almost no way the current 30-team NHL as currently constituted will still be in tact in the next couple of years. There are others who contend a number of things are being done right now that will see at least one franchise shift happen before next season.

The coming months will determine whether or not any of this is actually transpiring, but here is some of what is being talked about in hockey circles. Note to reader:this is not to say that all, or any, of this will happen, but it is certainly more than just idle chatter:

• That the Ice Edge bid to purchase the Phoenix Coyotes is essentially dead and unless there is someone willing to step forward to buy the Coyotes from the NHL and keep them in Phoenix, there is an agreement in principle in place to sell the team to Canadian billionaire David Thomson, who will move the team to Winnipeg before next season.


Thomson’s name in connection with the NHL in Winnipeg is nothing new. He is a major investor in True North Sports and Entertainment, the company that owns and operates the 15,000-seat MTS Centre in Winnipeg. With a seating capacity of 15,015 for hockey, it would be the smallest building in the NHL and it would obviously have to have long-term plans to increase the capacity by at least 2,000.

Even if Winnipeg managed to sell out every game, it would rank 25th in NHL attendance. But the important distinction is that the vast majority of those seats would be paid, in comparison to many American markets where every ticket, including thousands of free and reduced-price tickets, is included in the attendance figure.

• The Nashville Predators have reached an agreement with the Metro Sports Authority to keep the team in Nashville for at least another two seasons, but the deal has yet to be signed and there are rumblings Kansas City is making a serious push for the Predators to relocate there.

Los Angeles Kings governor Tim Leiweke is also the CEO of AEG, the company that owns the Sprint Center in Kansas City, a building that is ready-made for hockey and seeking a tenant. There are those who maintain it is only a matter of time before one of the NHL’s struggling franchises relocates to Kansas City.

• The Atlanta Thrashers are for sale and anyone with a hockey background would not want to buy the team and keep it in Atlanta, which is why there is word the NHL would not stand in the way of any new owner moving the team in a couple of years. One possibility is Seattle, which would give the NHL another team in the West and, if the Thrashers were to move there, allow the Detroit Red Wings to take their place in the Eastern Conference.

• Has anyone noticed we’re 10 paragraphs into this opus and the name Jim Balsillie hasn’t even been mentioned? There’s a good reason for that. According to those close to the situation, NHL commissioner Gary Bettman has finally succeeded in beating Balsillie down. The chances of Balsillie getting a team and putting it in southern Ontario appear now to be further from reality than they ever have.

(And do you know what’s a real slap in the face? There’s a chance Hamilton will ultimately lose its American League team as well. The City of Laval recently put out tenders to build an 8,000-seat rink and one of the finalists is the Montreal Canadiens. Word is that if the Canadiens are successful, they’ll move the Bulldogs from Hamilton to Laval.)

So if any or all of this is true, the situation with Balsillie and the NHL was exactly what everyone suspected. Fighting to keep the Coyotes in Phoenix was not about preserving the integrity of a franchise or fighting for a league’s right to self-determination. It was about keeping Balsillie out of the league and preserving the southern Ontario monopoly for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Otherwise, if the Coyotes were to move with the NHL’s blessing, why wouldn’t they simply go back to Balsillie and tell him they’d be happy to accept his $250 million for the franchise, which is far more than what Thomson or any other prospective owner would pay for it?

Yup, the times they are a-changing and it looks like movements are coming. And as has been the case for the past 25 years, Hamilton once again looks like it will be coming out with nothing.
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Nothing really new there. Just another confirmation of the rumours existence.
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2010, 2:19 AM
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except that it is not coming from a guy who has a cousin who knows mark chipman.....this is in the hockey news from 'people plugged in at the ownership level' and is 'more than just idle chatter'.....its the first time there has been substantiation from a true media source that the rumour is not something cooked up on the internet by someone in winnipeg.

just makes the smoke a bit thicker.
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Nothing really new there. Just another confirmation of the rumours existence.
But its the first reputable source to confirm the rumor, not some random dudes blog or twitter. Also the first time I've seen someone confirm that there is a deal in principal already in place. Pretty bloody good news!

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Not sure if anyone saw this last night...Don Cherry talks about how Winnipeg is the best choice for coyotes relocation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sZFF-ZxWOI
The Coyotes are not relocating. Period.
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The Coyotes are not relocating. Period.
I'm sorry to say, but it's looking more and more like they will be.
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2010, 2:55 AM
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I'm sorry to say, but it's looking more and more like they will be.
heh...I doubt it..


(I and others here in Phoenix have delt with so many rude Canadians on Phoenix Coyotes sports boards across the internet...it has changed my view of Canadians forever...you don't deserve them)
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heh...I doubt it..


(I and others here in Phoenix have with with so many rude CAnadians on Phoenix sports boards across the internet...it has changed my view of Canadians forever...you don't deserve them)
Well, aren't you a classy American. Thankfully, you don't represent the majority of Americans, which is why I'll just continue to laugh at this comment and not take it seriously.
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heh...I doubt it..


(I and others here in Phoenix have delt with so many rude Canadians on Phoenix Coyotes sports boards across the internet...it has changed my view of Canadians forever...you don't deserve them)
I think four words can sum up my opinion of Phoenix fans, especially over the last year:

-ignorant
-arrogant
-naive
-misinformed

The fact is, the Phoenix Coyotes will be relocating. If not to Canada, then to Kansas City, Houston or somewhere else in the USA. And the NHL will be a better league because of it.
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Well, aren't you a classy American. Thankfully, you don't represent the majority of Americans, which is why I'll just continue to laugh at this comment and not take it seriously.
do what u may...
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I think four words can sum up my opinion of Phoenix fans, especially over the last year:

-ignorant
-arrogant
-naive
-misinformed

The fact is, the Phoenix Coyotes will be relocating. If not to Canada, then to Kansas City, Houston or somewhere else in the USA. And the NHL will be a better league because of it.
This post is the perfect example of what I am talking about.

insulting...arrogant on your end to no end...naive (don't get me started)....and "misinformed" is a personal prejudice (opinion).
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This post is the perfect example of what I am talking about.

insulting...arrogant on your end to no end...naive (don't get me started)....and "misinformed" is a personal prejudice (opinion).
You are free to express your opinion as we all our. However, if you come here with a "guns-a-blazing" attitude, as you have, get prepared to be chewed out, as you deserve to have happen.
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You are free to express your opinion as we all our. However, if you come here with a "guns-a-blazing" attitude, as you have, get prepared to be chewed out, as you deserve to have happen.
OK....I give you that. However, my attitude has been no different than what I, and Coyotes fans, have been suffering from folks in Canada, who are on Phoenix Coyotes fan boards, for the past year or so. I understand that really not much, or none of it, has come from SSP. But it's fun to ruffle the feathers, and rattle the cage.
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2010, 3:34 AM
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2010, 3:35 AM
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Good Coaching from the All Canadian coaching staff down there in Phoenix
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2010, 3:42 AM
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The Coyotes are not relocating. Period.
While I can't prove the Coyotes will be relocating...you seem pretty damn sure they won't be...so prove it! Tell us why they won't be relocating...
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heh...I doubt it..


(I and others here in Phoenix have delt with so many rude Canadians on Phoenix Coyotes sports boards across the internet...it has changed my view of Canadians forever...you don't deserve them)

anyone who believes a team that loses $30m a year is rock solid and 'is not relocating period', simply doesnt have a grip on reality or chooses not to accept it....the coyotes are owned by the NHL for goodness sake...the other teams are paying their losses...how can anyone believe for a second that they will remain in that market?...other than a ridiculous arena lease, there is nothing keeping there at all.

if you really believe that you are in for a huge surprise....it might not be winnipeg, but they are going somewhere.



what you should also understand is that in canada hockey is a very important game....like football is in the states...perhaps even more so...it is not simply an amusement, no different than going to see a movie, like it is to most americans.

when the two NHL teams were taken from canada and moved into the american market in a blatent attempt to prostitue the league for an american television comtract, it hurt a lot of people who cared about the game.....this was made worse in the case of phoenix where it was being force fed to a market that had no interest in the product whatsoever.

imagine if you grew up in say, denver and you supported the broncos passionately for your entire life.....a team that defined your city.....and they were suddenly taken away and moved to paris because the league felt there was an opportunity to make money in the french market....eventhough nobody in paris knew the first thing about football, it was justified because the market was 8 times larger....you then spend 15 years watching your old team toil in a market that ignored them, lost money hand over fist and eventually went bankrupt, while you had no team to follow....how would that make you feel.

and then to top it off, the league bends over backwards for years to try and make it work in that market even when the losses seem so completely overwhelming and the team only draws flies (who know more about hockey than the people do) to the rink.....when you were losing your team there was no effort made whatsoever to help....again...would that not make you bitter towards the team that you lost?

perhaps you are mistaking rudeness for bitterness.

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Old Posted Mar 23, 2010, 4:00 AM
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heh...I doubt it..


(I and others here in Phoenix have delt with so many rude Canadians on Phoenix Coyotes sports boards across the internet...it has changed my view of Canadians forever...you don't deserve them)
Our franchise was taken away from us...from a place where hockey matters...and it was put in the desert where it has been failing miserably since...and you wonder why we're p*ssed off?

That's like taking the Dallas Cowboys and shipping them off to ummm...Nairobi, Kenya. I know...that's extreme but my point is that hockey matters here and it always has. Has it ever mattered in Pheonix? It's been almost 15 years and the team is still in a terrible financial situation. What does that mean exactly? The experiment didn't work! If it hasn't worked for 15 years...it will never work.
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Wow...Trueviking...looks like we were on the same wavelength there!
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