Halifax Stanfield International Airport Developments - Page 57

Saul Goode · #**1121** Posted **Apr 3, 2022, 6:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by q12

It appears both YHZ-LHR and future YHZ-FRA will be A321XLR instead of the Max

Whoa, Nellie - let's not get too excited here. First of all, AC hasn't said it will fly those routes. only that the A321XLR is capable of it. As for FRA, YHZ already has service there (albeit seasonal) with two European carriers. It's a niche route and hard to imagine AC getting too interested in it.

Second, they don't take delivery of their first 321-XLR for another two years anyway.

q12 · #**1122** Posted **Apr 3, 2022, 7:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Saul Goode

Whoa, Nellie - let's not get too excited here. First of all, AC hasn't said it will fly those routes. only that the A321XLR is capable of it. As for FRA, YHZ already has service there (albeit seasonal) with two European carriers. It's a niche route and hard to imagine AC getting too interested in it.

Second, they don't take delivery of their first 321-XLR for another two years anyway.

AC already flies YHZ-LHR on 737 max. And before the max it was flown on a widebody Boeing 767 for decades. The A321XLR is not really an upgrade from the 767 but more comparable and comfortable than the 737 max that they are using now.

They had YHZ-FRA in their plans before the pandemic. Frankfurt is a major hub for Air Canada's partner Lufthansa. Using an A321XLR on this route makes sense.

Eurowings Discover (Lufthansa) is using an Airbus A330 widebody YHZ-FRA this summer.
Condor is using a Boeing 767-300 widebody YHZ-FRA this summer.

Saul Goode · #**1123** Posted **Apr 3, 2022, 7:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by q12

AC already flies YHZ-LHR on 737 max. And before the max it was flown on a widebody Boeing 767 for decades.

And before that, DC-8s. Yes, I'm well aware of the route and have flown it many times. I'm certainly wasn't suggesting the route's not tenable. I simply neant that there's no guarantee we'll see the 321XLR on it.

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They had YHZ-FRA in their plans before the pandemic. Frankfurt is a major hub for Air Canada's partner Lufthansa. Using an A321XLR on this route makes sense.

Again, I didn't say the 321XLR wouldn't make sense on that route. But I am very skeptical about the feasibility of the route itself. I would be very surprised if it happens in the near term.

Look, all the investor communication was saying is the the 321LXR is capable of those routes. Seemed like half of the publication was about showing off the shiny new airplane they've ordered. They were simply hyping the aircraft's range. Nowhere does it say or even suggest that it will fly those routes (though I'll concede it's a possibility on YHZ-LHR).

I think you're reading too much into the publication.

thenoflyzone · #**1124** Posted **Apr 3, 2022, 8:33 PM**

One thing to consider as well, YHZ-FRA was in the 2019 investor day presentation as well. So it’s clearly a route AC has its eye on for several years now. The pandemic has delayed those plans, but the fact it made it on the 2022 edition is a good sign. It means AC is still interested.

It’s a route that both the Max and the -XLR can easily operate.

Keith P. · #**1125** Posted **Apr 3, 2022, 8:37 PM**

I find it odd that service to NYC does not seem a priority.

teddifax · #**1126** Posted **Apr 3, 2022, 8:40 PM**

It would be great to see YHZ become a Hub as well.... Flights from Europe to Halifax with transfers in land to the rest of Canada and also to the U.S.

q12 · #**1127** Posted **Apr 3, 2022, 8:46 PM**

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I find it odd that service to NYC does not seem a priority.

It's a staffing problem in the U.S. especially for United Airlines. The route will be back as staffing levels return to normal down there.

https://www.businessinsider.com/unit...-cities-2022-3

https://airlineweekly.com/2022/03/un...ilot-shortage/

Saul Goode · #**1128** Posted **Apr 4, 2022, 4:23 PM**

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It's a staffing problem in the U.S. especially for United Airlines. The route will be back as staffing levels return to normal down there.

Presumably it's a problem for all US carriers, to varying degrees.

I was miffed that instead of restoring service to New York, AA opted to add DCA and BOS (along with restoring PHL). At one point a few years ago, AA flew YHZ-JFK four times a day. It was very convenient. And pre-pandemic, Delta flew YHZ-LGA.

It just seems very odd not to have an NYC flight of any kind anymore.

q12 · #**1129** Posted **Apr 4, 2022, 4:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by Saul Goode

Presumably it's a problem for all US carriers, to varying degrees.

I was miffed that instead of restoring service to New York, AA opted to add DCA and BOS (along with restoring PHL). At one point a few years ago, AA flew YHZ-JFK four times a day. It was very convenient. And pre-pandemic, Delta flew YHZ-LGA.

It just seems very odd not to have an NYC flight of any kind anymore.

It is bizarre. There has to be many New Yorkers wanting to fly direct to Nova Scotia this summer season.

Speaking of Condor's Frankfurt - Halifax flights, check out their new paint:

https://www.condor.com/us/fly-with-u...r-new-look.jsp

And here is Lufthansa's EUROWINGS DISCOVER that also will fly the Halifax-Frankfurt route:

Saul Goode · #**1130** Posted **Apr 4, 2022, 4:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by q12

It is bizarre. There has to be many New Yorkers wanting to fly direct to Nova Scotia this summer season.

Speaking of Condor's Frankfurt - Halifax flights, check out their new paint

Not sure I'm a big fan of the Condor livery, but it could be worse.

Saul Goode · #**1131** Posted **Apr 4, 2022, 5:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by q12

It is bizarre. There has to be many New Yorkers wanting to fly direct to Nova Scotia this summer season.

Speaking of Condor's Frankfurt - Halifax flights, check out their new paint

Not sure I'm a big fan of the Condor livery, but it could be worse.

Half-Axed · #**1132** Posted **Apr 4, 2022, 6:35 PM**

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Not sure I'm a big fan of the Condor livery, but it could be worse.

Looks like candy canes...or Condy Canes...

Keith P. · #**1133** Posted **Apr 4, 2022, 6:49 PM**

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It is bizarre. There has to be many New Yorkers wanting to fly direct to Nova Scotia this summer season.

If for no other reason than to pack up their summer homes here and list them for sale following the punitive come-from-away tax imposed by our provincial govt.

Saul Goode · #**1134** Posted **Apr 4, 2022, 8:04 PM**

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If for no other reason than to pack up their summer homes here and list them for sale following the punitive come-from-away tax imposed by our provincial govt.

Indeed. I really though Houston was smarter than that. Talk about an unforced error...

Hali87 · #**1135** Posted **Apr 5, 2022, 1:12 PM**

It is a bit strange that there are planned routes to DC and Philadelphia (which seems kind of redundant in the larger context) but no NY/Newark routes yet. Then again, maybe transfers are easier in Philadelphia than in NY. I wonder how much the demand is driven by the American side?

Dartguard · #**1136** Posted **Apr 5, 2022, 2:26 PM**

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It is a bit strange that there are planned routes to DC and Philadelphia (which seems kind of redundant in the larger context) but no NY/Newark routes yet. Then again, maybe transfers are easier in Philadelphia than in NY. I wonder how much the demand is driven by the American side?

Actually Philly can feel like a train station in Lviv Ukraine. Very busy, low ceilings and subject to the same weather and traffic pressures of the NYC airports. Our NY Summer property owners will probably be making calls to get service back more than we can influence any future service.

q12 · #**1137** Posted **Apr 5, 2022, 2:39 PM**

Summer property owners are mostly driving up for the summer. Who rents a car for the whole summer?

The U.S. flights have mostly tourists coming for a week or two and renting a car. PHL is a connecting airport for the rest of the States for sure.

OldDartmouthMark · #**1138** Posted **Apr 5, 2022, 4:02 PM**

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Summer property owners are mostly driving up for the summer. Who rents a car for the whole summer?

It's not uncommon for people to just keep an older car at their summer property (in a garage) to avoid the long drive up.

OldDartmouthMark · #**1139** Posted **Apr 5, 2022, 4:10 PM**

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Not sure I'm a big fan of the Condor livery, but it could be worse.

It will definitely be distinctive!

It's growing on me, as it kind of reminds me of this...

Source

That's about as far off-topic I can get!

thenoflyzone · #**1140** Posted **Apr 6, 2022, 1:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hali87

It is a bit strange that there are planned routes to DC and Philadelphia (which seems kind of redundant in the larger context) but no NY/Newark routes yet. Then again, maybe transfers are easier in Philadelphia than in NY. I wonder how much the demand is driven by the American side?

Very little.

Most of Canada-US traffic is Canada point of sale.

The reason for PHL and DCA is that they are both AA hubs, enabling onward connections, especially PHL. DCA is a bit odd, but still, AA has a far larger presence there (in terms of number of destinations and daily departures) than at JFK or LGA.

JFK is an international hub for AA, with very little domestic feed compared to LGA or DCA.