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Old Posted Oct 28, 2007, 11:04 PM
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The whole "Atlantic Gateway" idea has more to do with general containerized cargo than LNG specifically. When it comes to being a gateway for these kinds of shipments, New Brunswick is pretty much guaranteed to remain a secondary area.

The AIMS is trying to sell the idea of Halifax as a gateway for shipments going to the East Coast of the US and the Midwest. Saint John is never going to be this kind of gateway because it has no advantages over New York or Montreal. It has comparable geography but with a much smaller local market.

The logic behind NB benefiting from the Atlantic Gateway is that there would be a lot more traffic passing through Moncton and Saint John, presumably leading to new opportunities for manufacturing, distribution, etc. NB is much better off being a conduit for goods for a market of tens of millions than as a gateway for a local market of about 750,000, which in practice is not even that likely since it's more efficient just to ship things from major ports.
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2007, 12:35 AM
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I do however have a bit of a problem with Saint John self proclaiming itself as the energy hub of Atlantic Canada.
Why? Atlantic Canada's only Nuclear Power plant ***expanding*** Canada's largest Oil Refinery *****A larger one on the way*** Canaport... Canaport LNG.... Coleson Cove Power plant.. Courtenay Bay Generating Station. Emera Pipeline.... Largest concentration of industry on the Atlantic coast north of New York City... Give Saint John the belt man.... come on...
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2007, 1:07 AM
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Why? Atlantic Canada's only Nuclear Power plant ***expanding*** Canada's largest Oil Refinery *****A larger one on the way*** Canaport... Canaport LNG.... Coleson Cove Power plant.. Courtenay Bay Generating Station. Emera Pipeline.... Largest concentration of industry on the Atlantic coast north of New York City... Give Saint John the belt man.... come on...
Agree with you on that one. I don't see Halifax competing in this area as of yet - certainly not anywhere near the projected growth Saint John is soon to experience in this industry. I do think however, that it is important to remember that what is good for Saint John and Halifax is also good for Atlantic Canada in general.
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2007, 1:12 AM
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Agree with you on that one. I don't see Halifax competing in this area as of yet - certainly not anywhere near the projected growth Saint John is soon to experience in this industry. I do think however, that it is important to remember that what is good for Saint John and Halifax is also good for Atlantic Canada in general.
Well said!

Halifax is more of an offshore energy production logistic centre. While Saint John generates/produces many forms of energy and exports them south. But as Someone123 indicated, that is not what Atlantic Gateway is about.
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2007, 10:43 PM
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My city's better than yours! LOL!

At least we've replaced rivalry with Moncton for rivalry with Halifax!

At this rate, we'll be bickering with Montreal soon! ahh...NOT!
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2007, 12:13 AM
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At least fighting with Halifax, and soon to be Montreal actually offers a valid argument. But Moncton.... thats just a sad sad place. They just dont compare



Im sure that will stir up some controversy with HFXMTL and STU lol
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2007, 3:02 AM
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I think we should pick on cities more our own size, like St. John's or Portland, Maine. I'm pretty sure we can take both of those down.
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I think we should pick on cities more our own size, like St. John's or Portland, Maine. I'm pretty sure we can take both of those down.

haha so true !
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I want Granite curbs.....
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2007, 4:34 AM
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I guess there's not a lot going on in Halifax these days. They have to come visit the Saint John page to find some stimulating ideas...
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2007, 11:25 AM
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Keltic Petro chemical will be building a 5 billion dollar facility which will include a LNG facility in Goldsboro NS where the Maritimes Northeast pipeline begins. Construction is starting this spring. There is are plans for a huge natural gas storage caverns in near Stewiacke NS. Deep Panuke is sceduled to begin construction any time now which will be NS third offshore project. I think Saint John will be and should be an energy hub. I do however have a bit of a problem with Saint John self proclaiming itself as the energy hub of Atlantic Canada.

While it is fine and dandy that NS has numerous energy related projects in line, as it stands SJ IS the hub for energy in Atlantic Canada. Why you have a problem with this is a bit baffling.
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Has anyone seen what they have done to the building on the corner of princess and charlotte, absolutly disgusting I dont know how the owner of the building would let that happen or suggest it. They put up green metal siding over brick and then but on faux light stone stiles on the bottom of the front. It looks like something you would put on a bathroom in the garage because your friends have some extra tiles laying around.

If you havent seen it yet and you get the chance take a look.......Terrible.
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We all have our biases, of course, but we should keep in mind that whats good for the region is good us all........we should also encourage and capitalize on the strengths that various parts of the region have. Yes, NS has more offshore resources than NB; that being said, the natural place to process or transport those resources to/through would be NB as opposed to investing billions of dollars into refining operations in NS. As for some of the posts questioning the Saint-John-as-an-energy-hub idea; frankly, the reality is that Saint John is rapidly positioning itself as the hub in our region. There is nowhere else in our region that has the energy project scale/diversity/potential (nuclear, lng terminal, pipeline, a very distinct possibility of harnessing tidal energy/wind energy, the coleson cove generating station, etc, etc, etc) as the Saint John region.


For those who are arguing that perhaps Halifax should also be developed as a co-energy hub, then by the same logic, Saint John's port should perhaps be massively expanded to allow it to handle more cargo tonnage on the scale of Halifax's . . . . which is of course ridiculous! I think that Saint John's port should be used to it's fullest capacity, with upgrades to rail/highway systems....but in terms of tonnage, Saint John's strength lies in it's ability to move liquid (i.e., petroleum) product, and perhaps the rapidly growing cruise ship business which is on par next year with Halifax's numbers. Moncton is well positioned to benefit / add / capitalize not only on projects occuring east or west of it, but on it's own local projects . . . .the concept of an "inland port" i think is a good one.

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Old Posted Oct 30, 2007, 8:30 PM
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Has anyone seen what they have done to the building on the corner of princess and charlotte, absolutly disgusting I dont know how the owner of the building would let that happen or suggest it. They put up green metal siding over brick and then but on faux light stone stiles on the bottom of the front. It looks like something you would put on a bathroom in the garage because your friends have some extra tiles laying around.

If you havent seen it yet and you get the chance take a look.......Terrible.

lol...Hey Seely32 ----> That's my house you're talking about!!!

j/k....i agree - terrible eyesore.....
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2007, 9:31 PM
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At least fighting with Halifax, and soon to be Montreal actually offers a valid argument. But Moncton.... thats just a sad sad place. They just dont compare



Im sure that will stir up some controversy with HFXMTL and STU lol
meh, I love Moncton, even if it is a sad sad place, its still home
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2007, 11:14 PM
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While it is fine and dandy that NS has numerous energy related projects in line, as it stands SJ IS the hub for energy in Atlantic Canada. Why you have a problem with this is a bit baffling.

Actually there's lots going on in Halifax. I do like to see whats going in other cities though. I'm not against Saint John being an energy hub by any means, but its not the only energy hub on the east coast, after all Halifax does belong to the World Energy Cities.
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Old Posted Oct 31, 2007, 12:25 AM
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Does anybody know if there is more developement going in next to the new Best Western. It looks like they are waisting no time putting what looks to be a road in behind Ritchies Discount in the field.
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Has anyone seen what they have done to the building on the corner of princess and charlotte, absolutly disgusting I dont know how the owner of the building would let that happen or suggest it. They put up green metal siding over brick and then but on faux light stone stiles on the bottom of the front. It looks like something you would put on a bathroom in the garage because your friends have some extra tiles laying around.

If you havent seen it yet and you get the chance take a look.......Terrible.
Yeah...at first, i thought it was real stone which looked okay from a distance, but after walking by, I had the same feeling that I was walking through somebody's shower stall...

Speaking of shower stall, remember that building on Prince William near Mexi's that did have shower tile? The 1 inch square ceramic type...

I'm surprised nobody's tried the roofing shingle instead of using siding trick yet on some of these buildings!
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Old Posted Oct 31, 2007, 2:17 PM
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Seeing this discussion of Halifax being a co-energy hun reminds me that I rather like this new forum design where we've shuffled the Haligonians into special "camps" where they can talk amongst themselves and leave the rest of us to have productive conversations about Atlantic Canada.

Maybe we should establish a similar division in real life by building a large wall around HRM and controlling how many people enter and exit, and maybe reduce the number of children they are allowed to have so that they can be self-sustaining yet not grow outside the physical constraints of their circa-1749 ghetto.
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