AUSTIN | Waterline (98 Red River) | 1,022 Feet | 73 Floors | U/C - Page 57

ATX2030 · #**1121** Posted **Nov 16, 2020, 11:02 PM**

The map is correct. Person typing must of thought no way Austin would be getting a 1000 footer so they improvised.

The ATX · #**1122** Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 12:06 AM**

Elevations have been made available from an anonymous source and fellow skyscraper enthusiast. The height will very depending on how it's measured, but I get 1,022'.

We vs us · #**1123** Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 12:18 AM**

Well look at that. It’s real and it’s happening.

Also — looks like the rendering we saw from the Houston forum is the correct one.

The ATX · #**1124** Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 12:26 AM**

There are three underground levels, and the hotel levels are part of the parking podium. That's a good way to hide a parking podium. A second FAA building permit was filed for a height of 185' which must be the parking podium/hotel.

freerover · #**1125** Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 12:36 AM**

Are we thinking a couple years of approvals before ground breaking?

myBrain · #**1126** Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 12:56 AM**

So yeah, it's the first rendering we saw, but it looks like it has more of a curve than you could see from that set. There's a protrusion from the SW corner that sweeps back and up, narrowing the lower segment as it rises, but then the upper segment actually goes from narrow to wider toward the south on the upper floors. The point of the roof structure follows this curve.

This one, like the sail, is going to be hard to wrap your head around until we see some better renderings / 3D models.

The ATX · #**1127** Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 12:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by freerover

Are we thinking a couple years of approvals before ground breaking?

I would say about year which is typical for big projects. But I don't know if it could be sooner because they are revising an approved site plan. Either way, it's the financing that will probably dictate the timing of the groundbreaking more than permitting.

myBrain · #**1128** Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 1:07 AM**

The roof structure looks like a P Terry's. Let's petition to make it an observation deck / burger joint!

N90 · #**1129** Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 3:17 AM**

I like it. I liked the first rendering way more than the second one that showed the other buildings. Second one kinda looked cheap tbh IMO...

We vs us · #**1130** Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 6:09 AM**

So this thing has 25 floors of office space. Is this all being done on spec?

N90 · #**1131** Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 9:37 AM**

https://i.imgur.com/Kk2OSEt.png

https://i.imgur.com/a74qat2.png

I know I'm in the minority but I like the design of the building from the first picture more. Glass looks good both day and night, especially with light purple-silver panel glass.

GoldenBoot · #**1132** Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 3:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by freerover

Are we thinking a couple years of approvals before ground breaking?

Probably early 2022.

GoldenBoot · #**1133** Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 3:59 PM**

CTBUH defines height to basically be from the lowest point of entry to the peak of the tower's highest architectural element. So, we need to find out at what level the lowest point of entry is - which I'm guessing is accessed from near the creek.

urbancore · #**1134** Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 4:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by GoldenBoot

Probably early 2022.

How long did it take from the announcement of the Independent till it broke ground? I seem to recall being stunned how fast it was.

GoldenBoot · #**1135** Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 4:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by urbancore

How long did it take from the announcement of the Independent till it broke ground? I seem to recall being stunned how fast it was.

No. It wasn't "fast." The project was announced in its original form in late spring 2013.

The ATX · #**1136** Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 4:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by GoldenBoot

CTBUH defines height to basically be from the lowest point of entry to the peak of the tower's highest architectural element. So, we need to find out at what level the lowest point of entry is - which I'm guessing is accessed from near the creek.

Yeah, I would start counting the height from the bottom of the stairs on the creek side.

Jdawgboy · #**1137** Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 4:12 PM**

Something tells me this project has been put on the fast track for Karoi and Lincoln. I believe this one will break ground before Republic Square and I'm okay with that.

Geckos_Rule · #**1138** Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 4:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by GoldenBoot

No. It wasn't "fast." The project was announced in its original form in late spring 2013.

And, buildings including Hotel/office space function a bit differently. The independent is all condos, so it depends on sales, and the residential real estate market.

A hotel/office building can get financed with a hotel partner, or a large pre-leased tenant, respectively. If this one has either of those two already, itt'l likely go fairly quickly. I think a better comparison is the timeline of 6xGuad, or Block 185.

We vs us · #**1139** Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 5:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Geckos_Rule

And, buildings including Hotel/office space function a bit differently. The independent is all condos, so it depends on sales, and the residential real estate market.

A hotel/office building can get financed with a hotel partner, or a large pre-leased tenant, respectively. If this one has either of those two already, itt'l likely go fairly quickly. I think a better comparison is the timeline of 6xGuad, or Block 185.

So potentially a yearish before breaking ground. I'm definitely interested to know who/what they have lined up for hotel/office partnership.

The ATX · #**1140** Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 5:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by We vs us

So potentially a yearish before breaking ground. I'm definitely interested to know who/what they have lined up for hotel/office partnership.

WeWork is still part of the project. They own the site. Before WeWork's implosion, they wanted to include a WeLive residential concept in the project.