Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

I fear a Yonge line situation. In Toronto, the Yonge leaves its terminus with every seat taken and some standees. Barely enough room in 2-3 stops. Crush load for half the line.

I don't anticipate any open seats during rush leaving Blair or Tunneys.

This will definitely be the case by St Laurent or Bayview. I don't think we're starting with enough capacity. That's where the city really cheaped out, since they actually are starting with less capacity then the transitway it replaced. The 600 passenger number is suspect, in fact Metrolinx is using a smaller number for their Citadis, they are using 573 as max capacity. It's not the system that's the problem, just the number of trains. Outside of peak times we'll be fine, but at peak is not going to be fun.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

I fear a Yonge line situation. In Toronto, the Yonge leaves its terminus with every seat taken and some standees. Barely enough room in 2-3 stops. Crush load for half the line.

I don't anticipate any open seats during rush leaving Blair or Tunneys.

Originally Posted by kmcamp

This will definitely be the case by St Laurent or Bayview. I don't think we're starting with enough capacity. That's where the city really cheaped out, since they actually are starting with less capacity then the transitway it replaced. The 600 passenger number is suspect, in fact Metrolinx is using a smaller number for their Citadis, they are using 573 as max capacity. It's not the system that's the problem, just the number of trains. Outside of peak times we'll be fine, but at peak is not going to be fun.

I would say this is partly the success of what they are doing. It won't be till after Stage 2 or even a Stage 3 where this will be a non issue. TBH, I'd rather have a well used transit system than one that is empty.

[TheMatth69]

Bad news ... As I was going downtown tonigh (around 9pm) I saw one of the train stopped short of Pimisi station with one of the doors lights switched on, wich means the door was not shut down properly and therefore the train was probably immobilized mid-track because of that glitch... Seems like the door problem isn't resolved yet

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by TheMatth69

Bad news ... As I was going downtown tonigh (around 9pm) I saw one of the train stopped short of Pimisi station with one of the doors lights switched on, wich means the door was not shut down properly and therefore the train was probably immobilized mid-track because of that glitch... Seems like the door problem isn't resolved yet

I had seen similar things a couple of weeks ago, yet it seems they are moving ahead anyway. I think it depends on the frequency of issues at this point.

[Gat-Train]

According to the latest update:

RTG will be submitting a substantial completion notice sometime this week. The City of Ottawa and an Independent Certifier will review the notice and supporting documentation and provide an opinion. RTG has submitted a revised Revenue Service Availability (RSA) date of August 16, 2019.

So if that's correct, RTG should submit their NOC tomorrow.

Construction update

[CityTech]

They might have already submitted it a couple days ago.

[J.OT13]

From Rail613's Twitter yesterday. Wonder if this could "derail" substantial completion.

Ooops. Any other news?
#CitadisSpirit 1127 and 1129 sat all day EB at #Hurdman station. 1129 was uncoupled from 1127 and finally towed on second attempt around 2:50 pm. 1127 remains at 4 pm. No trains running today.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmFfd5R4

Nice yellow tow bar when they finally towed it away from #Hurdman towards #Belfast yard a few minutes ago. Thanks again to Larry.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/larrys_model_railway/48317057821/in/album-72157709728152781/ … https://twitter.com/rail613/status/1151964400565280783 …

https://twitter.com/rail613/status/1151964400565280783

[Gat-Train]

Just drove past UOttawa station. I saw two doubles side by side, but they were both on the wrong tracks

[J.OT13]

Lees Station 1984.


https://twitter.com/OC_Transpo/status/1151854224298450946

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

From Rail613's Twitter yesterday. Wonder if this could "derail" substantial completion.

https://twitter.com/rail613/status/1151964400565280783

We have an explanation. No word on what caused the damage to the centenary, but it seems like it's not a train issue, so that's good.

Apparently the #ConfederationLine trains are not running today/Friday. It seems there was damage to the overhead wiring at Hurdman Station that caused the breakdown and stuck double train yesterday. So they had to “diesel tow” each trainset away.

https://twitter.com/rail613/status/1152213296000491520

[trhgr]

I recently found a density map of Ottawa on censusmapper.ca and I added the LRT phase 1 stations (red dots).
It gives an interesting perpective on how this system misses most of the densily populated areas in the central part of our city (especially south and east of the core).

[Luker]

Originally Posted by trhgr

I recently found a density map of Ottawa on censusmapper.ca and I added the LRT phase 1 stations (red dots).
It gives an interesting perpective on how this system misses most of the densily populated areas in the central part of our city (especially south and east of the core).

Interesting visualization, thanks. Further confirms what most of us were saying from the start about the alignment, but the path of least resistance and value planning are to blame here.

[J.OT13]

Fastest and cheapest way to the suburbs. Any urban neighborhood served is purely incidental. I'm frankly shocked, SHOCKED, that they added stations at Sherbourne and Ambleside between Dominion and Lincoln Fields.

[CityTech]

In fairness the downtown stations have a lot of employment density near them.

[AR-OTT]

Originally Posted by trhgr

I recently found a density map of Ottawa on censusmapper.ca and I added the LRT phase 1 stations (red dots).
It gives an interesting perpective on how this system misses most of the densily populated areas in the central part of our city (especially south and east of the core).

This map only shows residential density. I think a map that showed residential + commercial (# of jobs per hectare) density would be more indicative for displaying how many people each station is immediately servicing. I'm willing to bet a map of this type would make the Lyon, Parliament, Rideau and uOttawa (not shown) stations much more justified then they appear to be here.

I do think they've taken the path of least resistance for this design, however, if spending less money now means we'll get future (hopefully urban) transit infrastructure sooner then I am all for it.

[J.OT13]

In terms of employment, Tunney's, Lyon, Parliament and Rideau are quite dense. uOttawa serves a massive student population and Lees (not shown) is home to a large student population. I'm surprised Lees isn't denser.

Most other stations will still be quite busy, at least at rush hour, acting as transfer stations. Bayview (not shown) connects with Trillium. Pimisi (not shown) will serve Gatineau bound OC Transpo. Hurdman serves the S/E Transitway. St-Laurent will be a major transfer for east-send inner-city bus routes. Blair will be the major east end transfer suburban on opening day and likely serve inner-city bus routes after. It also serves significant employment hubs.

This leaves Tremblay and Cyrville, the stations most likely to remain minor for a long time. Tremblay could grow in importance with a simple tunnel to the employment area south of the VIA tracks and TOD around Lynx Stadium. Cyrville has TOD potential, but I imagine it will take a while. Place des Gouverneurs has barely grown in 10 years.

That said, a route under Rideau-Montreal might not have been as well suited for transfers, but would have served a much denser population, keeping the line busy all day, everyday. And TOD would have been easier to sell along these historic main streets than the bland, car-centric suburban locations of the current stations.

[trhgr]

Originally Posted by AR-OTT

This map only shows residential density.

Yes. People do live in these parts of town. A lot of them.

[AR-OTT]

Originally Posted by trhgr

Yes. People do live in these parts of town. A lot of them.

I'm not trying to downplay residential density, I'm just saying its not the whole story.

[OCCheetos]

Here's a map I made back in the fall showing a network analysis of walking distances around LRT stations. It's obviously not perfect since I guess there were some errors in my network (most notably: Greenboro and uOttawa) but it was good enough for a decent mark in my course.

I also generated coverage data for every route in the city if anyone's interested in any route in particular...

[Gat-Train]

Originally Posted by trhgr

I recently found a density map of Ottawa on censusmapper.ca and I added the LRT phase 1 stations (red dots).
It gives an interesting perpective on how this system misses most of the densily populated areas in the central part of our city (especially south and east of the core).

10000 pphd on this line. IDK what the ridership would have been on a Bank Street and Rideau-Montreal subway/LRT corridor but probably substantially less. Seems to me we get the most bang for our buck this way.