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nice! I'm probably going to like the glass on the upper floors more, and indirectly, i'm probably gonna like the lower floor glass more because of the upper floor glass
     
     
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Nice shots, bande. It's still difficult to believe I'll actually be working in this building.
     
     
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I was heading south on Clark, in River North yesterday....even from the Rock and Roll McDonalds (and even a couple blocks north of there), 300 North Lasalle is already starting to stand out and have a big impact on the skyline. I can't even imagine how much this building will stand out once it is topped out!
     
     
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Great angle on the second shot, Harry.
     
     
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From Solar's picture, this'll definitely be in the skyline when I do the January shot.
And Harry, that second photograph belongs in a calendar.
     
     
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Very nice progress! And like always, this is a fantastic photo, harryc!
     
     
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[QUOTE=bande;3215101]12/8/2007


Glass on the east side of the building.



Why is it that the metal decking is not completely covered in fireproofing material? I am assuming that even if the decking fails due to fire, the concrete floor above will not collapse through, but I just wanted to know if any one had a definitive answer. I guess cost could be a factor, but that seems like a pretty bad excuse. "Im sorry, we just didn't feel that the extra cost was worth those 4 lives lost yesterday..."
     
     
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its just because its not necessary to be as thorough throughout the floorplate as with the joists and beams and such. its a matter of being wasteful with time, I guess. The pressure from the weight of the the objects in a building are dispersed throughout the floorplate, but the pressure from the weight of the entire building gets dispersed through out the columns and joists. The areas prone to fire are the areas with more pressure, because more pressure allows for more heat and a greater ability to heat up faster
     
     
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Because of the short spans, the metal deck is acting mostly as a stay in place form for the concrete - not a structural member requiring fireproofing. This is referred to as "form deck".
     
     
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The areas prone to fire are the areas with more pressure, because more pressure allows for more heat and a greater ability to heat up faster
I've never heard of this before, and I'm not sure that it's all that accurate.

Per code, the entire floor system needs to be fire rated. Using a certain thickness of concrete on top of an approved metal deck system gets you the fire-rating for the slab. You then need to fireproof the beams so that the whole floor assembly is fire resistive.
I believe beams and girders need a one or two hour rating, while columns need a 4 hour rating.
Anybody know for sure?
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Wow, SolarWind... amazing photo. This niche along the river will look great once 300 N. Lasalle is complete. I think I can make out three other construction sites in the background of your photo, as well!

Hey, could someone tell me the name of the slender, off-white high-rise kitty-corner from this development? I think it's very handsome.
     
     
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Wow, SolarWind... amazing photo.

Hey, could someone tell me the name of the slender, off-white high-rise kitty-corner from this development? I think it's very handsome.
Thanks, Ch.G, Ch.G. I assume you are referring to "The Sterling" listed at 466 ft and completed 2001

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=100424

There are actually seven construction sites in that photo, believe it or not. Anyone want to try to guess? I only know six by name and I'm not counting the completed Kingsbury Plaza.
     
     
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Thanks, Ch.G, Ch.G. I assume you are referring to "The Sterling" listed at 466 ft and completed 2001

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=100424

There are actually seven construction sites in that photo, believe it or not. Anyone want to try to guess? I only know six by name and I'm not counting the completed Kingsbury Plaza.
The closer ones are One11 W Illinois, StayBridge, and Silver tower.





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I've never heard of this before, and I'm not sure that it's all that accurate.

Per code, the entire floor system needs to be fire rated. Using a certain thickness of concrete on top of an approved metal deck system gets you the fire-rating for the slab. You then need to fireproof the beams so that the whole floor assembly is fire resistive.
I believe beams and girders need a one or two hour rating, while columns need a 4 hour rating.
Anybody know for sure?
You got the closest...

To build a building of this height (and pretty much any building more than a few stories tall) the building code will require you use Type 1-A construction which is the most restrictive type in terms of passive fire protection (active protection is sprinklers, required anyways) The CBC will set forth hour ratings for each building element, bearing walls, partitions, columns, ...

Once you have your req'd ratings you go to the UL book (underwriters lab, there are a few other companies that do this) for approved designs for different building assemblies. These are the people that tell you that a metal stud wall with 5/8 drywall on each side will give you 1 hour rating. Once you have your rating requirement and your design that you would like to use (if your intended design doesn't appear in the UL book you have to calculate it yourself <- sucks to do) you then need to design details that will maintain the rating for the entire occurrence of the assembly. It is okay if you switch designs, as long as you maintain the rating on all dependent elements. So, for example, you can't have a 2 hr. column enclosure holding up a 3 hr. slab. What's the point if the column fails, who cares if your slab is a billion hour rated.

So i am guessing that the metal deck and slab gives you 3 hrs. without any further treatment and the spray insulation gives you 3 hrs. Thus you have a continuous 3 hr. enclosure. They likely overspray to be safe. I couldn't imagine the liability if you skimp on the fireproofing and it dooms the building.

If you want to learn more about assembly ratings check out USG's listing for rated wall enclosures. The UL book sucks to go through and should only be consulted as part of a rookie architect hazing ritual.

Just to round out the explanation, you rarely find requirements more than 3 hrs. because, lets face it, if there is a fire going for 3 hrs and the fire department hasn't come yet, you're dead from inhaling smoke. At least that is the case with the International Building Code. The screwy and often sucky chicago code actually has a circumstance whereby which you would have to build an 8 hour wall. Go figure... I can't wait for them to finally switch in a few years.
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