TCH east of Nipigon (La route transcanadienne à l'est de Nipigon)

[Dengler Avenue]

I wonder why there isn't that much interaction between Western Canada (i.e. Prairies) and Eastern Canada (i.e. Ontario and points east). I assume that, if the two aren't well connected, it's because there isn't that much interaction between them after all.

[wave46]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I wonder why there isn't that much interaction between Western Canada (i.e. Prairies) and Eastern Canada (i.e. Ontario and points east). I assume that, if the two aren't well connected, it's because there isn't that much interaction between them after all.

Thousands of people fly between Western Canada and Eastern Canada daily.

Billions of dollars of trade occurs between them via road, rail and pipeline.

People just don't drive much between them because the distance across Northern Ontario is vast and not very populated.

[Dengler Avenue]

It’s always been a wonder to me that the total length of TCH (17-417) in Ontario is longer than that across the Prairies.

[Dengler Avenue]

for 2-lane roadways I suppose

[vid]

The street I live on has an AADT of over 15,000 but it still has quiet periods, even during rush hour.

The 401 has an AADT of around 500,000.

[vid]

No problem making left turns on Dawson Road. The problem is that a lot of people buy 200 foot frontage estate lots and stick their driveways in the blind spots.

[vid]

Highway 102 east of Dog Lake Road isn't a provincial highway, though. That's the problem.

Personally, I don't think any of highway 102 should be a provincial highway.

[F. Lionel]

Twinning of 11/17 between Thunder Bay and Nipigon is back in the news

I guess this answers my question about what is happening with the project around Dorion. The Feds are confirming the funding but putting the progress of the project squarely on the Province of Ontario (really Doug Ford's Conservatives).

To their credit at least Ontario said there would be an upcoming announcement. Of course - anything announced in the next decade is technically an upcoming announcement.

The announcement is nothing but a political play - the federal Liberals appear with the popular local provincial Liberal and basically call out the provincial Conservatives (and imply that the federal Conservatives will be more of the same).

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by vid

Highway 102 east of Dog Lake Road isn't a provincial highway, though. That's the problem.

Personally, I don't think any of highway 102 should be a provincial highway.

Why? It should be divided and be signed as TCH.

[vid]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Why? It should be divided and be signed as TCH.

That ship sailed in the 1960s* when they decided to make the Trans-Canada Highway travel along Arthur Street instead of Dawson Road, and then it made a brief return before sailing off again in 1990 as the Shabaqua Extension.

Not doable. Not worth the waste of time. Just download it, throttle its speeds, and we'll move on.


*They made the TCH travel all the way down to Arthur Street so that Fort William wouldn't be left out. A few years later, the two cities would amalgamate and it wouldn't fucking matter.

[sonysnob]

The Dawson Road was a pretty terrible highway until the 1970s. The new bridge over the Kam River, and the three (now two) railways wasn't completed until the mid-1970s. Before that 102 was pretty much a goat path.

Highway 11/17 was comparably a much higher standard road when the Trans-Canada Highway designation was applied to it.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by vid

That ship sailed in the 1960s* when they decided to make the Trans-Canada Highway travel along Arthur Street instead of Dawson Road, and then it made a brief return before sailing off again in 1990 as the Shabaqua Extension.

Not doable. Not worth the waste of time. Just download it, throttle its speeds, and we'll move on.


*They made the TCH travel all the way down to Arthur Street so that Fort William wouldn't be left out. A few years later, the two cities would amalgamate and it wouldn't fucking matter.

So, why would it not be possible to twin the highway? it is a shorter route than the current 17.

[vid]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

So, why would it not be possible to twin the highway? it is a shorter route than the current 17.

Too much private property and residential development along it, especially in the city. They would have to completely by-pass most of the existing right of way. And if we're doing that, why not just build a new 2-lane highway between Nipigon and Raith, nearly parallel to the TCPL corridor, with a connection to Highway 527 at its mid-point?

[Dengler Avenue]

It was $83M in 2017 and now the feds announced $37M, so $120M in total (not accounting for inflation)?

[F. Lionel]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

It was $83M in 2017 and now the feds announced $37M, so $120M in total (not accounting for inflation)?

In theory...

I'm afraid all of it has gone by the wayside, however, after the last election. But no one can say for certain what's going on as of late - there's been no "Official" confirmation about how anything is proceeding.

The article above is the first real mention of anything related to these twinning projects since the provincial election.

So far as anyone was aware it had all been shelved, once again.

[Dengler Avenue]

I’ve looked at it before. We will first need a bypass route 1.5 km SW of the Hoddler Avenue interchange. Then we will only be able to widen the current roadway to 4 lanes with a median barrier and with service roads on both sides of the highway to serve the abutting properties. If you can convince their owners, sure.

It seems convenient to me to make use of the 2+1 configuration of 11-17 from Kakabeka Falls to a bit south of Sistonens Corners though.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I’ve looked at it before. We will first need a bypass route 1.5 km SW of the Hoddler Avenue interchange. Then we will only be able to widen the current roadway to 4 lanes with a median barrier and with service roads on both sides of the highway to serve the abutting properties. If you can convince their owners, sure.

It seems convenient to me to make use of the 2+1 configuration of 11-17 from Kakabeka Falls to a bit south of Sistonens Corners though.

Lets build the Bradford Bypass a 2 + 1 configuration.

I am tired of the nonsense. Either we do it right, or don't do it.

[Dengler Avenue]

If Northern Ontario has a lot of people (which in turns means a lot of votes), sure...

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

If Northern Ontario has a lot of people (which in turns means a lot of votes), sure...

Almost 800,000 people. That is pretty high. Besides, this has nothing to do with population, and more to do on road safety.

[wave46]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Almost 800,000 people. That is pretty high. Besides, this has nothing to do with population, and more to do on road safety.

In a province of 14 million. So, about 6% of the population.

Most of those 800,000 don't live in the Northwest (the highest concentration of people in Northern Ontario live in a band between North Bay and Sault Ste Marie) too. If we're just looking at the Northwest, it's less than 2%.

For a highway with a <5,000 AADT. Maybe vid can elaborate, but I don't think carnage is happening on Highway 102, inconvenient as the traffic may be.

I'm with vid. Bypass the bypass if you must and just limit development on the new highway.

We have bigger issues in the north than a divided Highway 102.