NHL season 2017/2018

[HomeInMyShoes]

Originally Posted by esquire

I'd wager that if you polled fans, it's probably the lingering Jets 1.0 rivalries from the old Smythe division that still resonate the most, even if they're pretty well dormant now... Edmonton is public enemy number 1, with Calgary and Vancouver up there too. It wouldn't take too much to rev up the old Oilers hate if the two teams ever met in the playoffs again. There's a reason the Oilers played in the Heritage Classic here last season.

That's just it. Rivalries take time to develop. The old Norris division and Smythe division rivalries were huge because you played each other every year in the playoffs. Rivalries develop in the plaoyffs where the games mean a lot.

The NHL needs to stop readjusting the league every time they add a team.

[TorontoDrew]

Originally Posted by HomeInMyShoes

That's just it. Rivalries take time to develop.

This is true, but in the case of Seattle vs Vancouver those to cities have been rivals on many different stages other then sports. They would be so close to each other that a natural rivalry in the NHL would happen very fast. Since Vancouver's main rivals have always been Calgary and Edmonton where both of those cities fans for the most part would consider them to be #2 on their hit list , I could see a deep rivalry set up between the two neighbouruing cities.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by HomeInMyShoes

The NHL needs to stop readjusting the league every time they add a team.

So what you're saying is....I shouldn't suggest moving CGY & EDM to the central and moving Colorado back to the Pacific when Seattle comes in?

WPG gets CGY and EDM, VAN gets SEA, LV keeps ARZ.

[J.OT13]

From Ottawa's perspective, Toronto and Montreal are our biggest rivals. I don't know if it has as much to do with the cities then the fact that our regional fan base is divided between the three teams, and by extension, the arena is filled half an half between Sens fans and the opposing team (be it TO or MTL).

[HomeInMyShoes]

Originally Posted by JHikka

So what you're saying is....I shouldn't suggest moving CGY & EDM to the central and moving Colorado back to the Pacific when Seattle comes in?

WPG gets CGY and EDM, VAN gets SEA, LV keeps ARZ.

Zing.

Denver is further East than Calgary and Edmonton. Phoenix is as well. Just geographically speaking. I would rename the divisions back to Campbell, Norris, Smythe and Wales. The NHL had style back then.

Although, aren't we jumping the gun thinking that Seattle is getting a team? Just saying.

Although we all know the answer to that. Seattle could propose having absolutely no arena plan and say they'd play in the Tacoma Rockets arena for the interim and the governors and Bettman would lap it up.

[Calgarian]

I'd say it's extremely likely that Seattle will get a team.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by HomeInMyShoes

Although, aren't we jumping the gun thinking that Seattle is getting a team? Just saying.

Although we all know the answer to that. Seattle could propose having absolutely no arena plan and say they'd play in the Tacoma Rockets arena for the interim and the governors and Bettman would lap it up.

Not quite. The only reason Seattle is happening now is because there are interested owners and the City is pumping millions into Key Arena. Anything else wouldn't really fly. It's an ideal market for the NHL for a number of reasons.

Originally Posted by j.ot13

From Ottawa's perspective, Toronto and Montreal are our biggest rivals. I don't know if it has as much to do with the cities then the fact that our regional fan base is divided between the three teams, and by extension, the arena is filled half an half between Sens fans and the opposing team (be it TO or MTL).

I believe the point being made was that although TOR/MTL are the primary rivals for OTT the feeling is not mutual. Neither team considers Ottawa their main rival. Vancouver is in the same position until they get Seattle next door - until then nobody considers Vancouver their main rival. You can still have rivalries, they just aren't the main one. This is part of why Seattle is so appealing...there's an immediate, engrained rivalry based on geography that the NHL doesn't have to spend time fabricating.

[TorontoDrew]

Originally Posted by JHikka

I believe the point being made was that although TOR/MTL are the primary rivals for OTT the feeling is not mutual. Neither team considers Ottawa their main rival. Vancouver is in the same position until they get Seattle next door - until then nobody considers Vancouver their main rival. You can still have rivalries, they just aren't the main one. This is part of why Seattle is so appealing...there's an immediate, engrained rivalry based on geography that the NHL doesn't have to spend time fabricating.

You got it

[Calgarian]

Originally Posted by JHikka

I believe the point being made was that although TOR/MTL are the primary rivals for OTT the feeling is not mutual. Neither team considers Ottawa their main rival. Vancouver is in the same position until they get Seattle next door - until then nobody considers Vancouver their main rival. You can still have rivalries, they just aren't the main one. This is part of why Seattle is so appealing...there's an immediate, engrained rivalry based on geography that the NHL doesn't have to spend time fabricating.

I'd say Vancouver has been as big of a rival for the Flames as Edmonton up until recently. Vancouver had been one of the better teams in the league and games here were always quite rowdy in the stands (lots of chirping and fights). The Canucks and Flames have faced each other in the playoffs recently (2015 and 2004) while we haven't played Edmonton in the playoffs since 1991.

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by JHikka

Not quite. The only reason Seattle is happening now is because there are interested owners and the City is pumping millions into Key Arena. Anything else wouldn't really fly. It's an ideal market for the NHL for a number of reasons.



I believe the point being made was that although TOR/MTL are the primary rivals for OTT the feeling is not mutual. Neither team considers Ottawa their main rival. Vancouver is in the same position until they get Seattle next door - until then nobody considers Vancouver their main rival. You can still have rivalries, they just aren't the main one. This is part of why Seattle is so appealing...there's an immediate, engrained rivalry based on geography that the NHL doesn't have to spend time fabricating.

But that's not true either. Rivalries gain and lose prominence. Toronto meeting Montreal has the history from the Original Six but, Montreal hasn't always been Toronto's main rival and Ottawa has stepped into that position since the Leafs joined their division. The Leafs and Habs weren't in the same conference for over 15 years. They barely knew each other for close to a generation.

Politics vs Business. Ottawa is a rival for Toronto's even outside of the sports sphere.

[TorontoDrew]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

But that's not true either. Rivalries gain and lose prominence. Toronto meeting Montreal has the history from the Original Six but, Montreal hasn't always been Toronto's main rival and Ottawa has stepped into that position since the Leafs joined their division. The Leafs and Habs weren't in the same conference for over 15 years. They barely knew each other for close to a generation.

Politics vs Business. Ottawa is a rival for Toronto's even outside of the sports sphere.

Even when we weren't in the same division Montreal and Toronto were still main rivals, always have been and most likely always will be. It's a mutual hate/respect thing both teams have had since the original six. It's ingrained in the psyche of Leaf and Habs fans from the moment they become hockey fans in each city. it's part of our joint history. Ottawa is a rival, just not "THE"" rival for either Montreal or Ottawa.

There is a reason why this team

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faces this team in a TTC station.

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Or why this movie still holds true today.
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[WhipperSnapper]

Ugh. I'm just not interested.

[Andy6]

Originally Posted by esquire

The impression I get is that fans in MN are barely aware of us. There also haven't been many meaningful games with the Wild... it's really just the road trip factor that even brings the Wild into the conversation of being rivals. Tons of local fans drove down for games in the first few seasons when the novelty factor was high and the Jets were still a very tough ticket.

I'd wager that if you polled fans, it's probably the lingering Jets 1.0 rivalries from the old Smythe division that still resonate the most, even if they're pretty well dormant now... Edmonton is public enemy number 1, with Calgary and Vancouver up there too. It wouldn't take too much to rev up the old Oilers hate if the two teams ever met in the playoffs again. There's a reason the Oilers played in the Heritage Classic here last season.

I’d say St. Louis is edging up there a bit. It kind of depends who the playoff opponents are in the next few seasons. Obviously it would be off the charts if it were Edmonton.

[Calgarian]

Originally Posted by Andy6

Obviously it would be off the charts if it were Edmonton.

May not happen for a while...

[GlassCity]

When the Canucks were good it was Chicago that was the most hated team in town. But regardless of who's good and who's not, I'd actually say it's the Leafs that are the consistent anticipated matchup for fans, though players may not feel the same. It's a city vs city thing, and the same might apply to Seattle, though I'm not quite as sure.

[jawagord]

Originally Posted by rotten42

I saw this in another place but it is appropriate. Edmonton Oiler fans are the Al Bundy of the NHL talking about the 5 touchdowns in one game back in high school.

The Oiler spoofs just keep coming, this time from Calgary Puck:

Banner Performance for McDavid and the Oilers! Oilers 5, Panthers 7

Just one day after decorating the rafters at Rogers Place with a banner to honour the 1984-1985 Edmonton Oilers – voted the NHL’s greatest team ever - the 2017-2018 Edmonton Oilers hit the ice against the Florida Panthers on Monday Night. Lead by scintillating centre, Connor McDavid (1g, 1a, 2pts, +1), the present-day Oilers paid homage to their predecessors with an offensive performance, posting 5 goals against the Eastern competition. Undoubtedly also inspired by the latest banner hauled to the ceiling in Rogers Place, the Florida Panthers also honoured the 1984-1985 Oilers by scoring 7.

The banner was the second raised to the roof in Rogers Place in recent time, following the grand celebration of Garth Brooks’ 9 sold out shows almost a year ago to the day. Seizing on the atmosphere of joy and celebration, the Edmonton Oilers announced that in the coming days numerous other banners would be raised to the roof to mark significant moments in Oilers history and released a teaser of some the flags to follow:

A banner to celebrate being awarded the first overall pick in the 2015 entry draft which brought Connor McDavid to the team.

A banner to celebrate the October 2016 deal that saw former number 1 pick Nail Yakupov traded to the St. Louis Blues for Zach Pochiro and a conditional third.

A banner to celebrate the June 2016 deal that saw former number 1 pick Taylor Hall traded the New Jersey Devils for defenseman Adam Larsson.

A banner to celebrate the 2007 decision to stiff heart and soul power forward Ryan Smyth half a million bucks and instead trade him to the New York Islanders for Ryan O’Marra, Robert Nilsson, and a first round pick.

A banner to celebrate the August 1988 deal that saw the NHL’s all-time leading scorer, Wayne Gretzky, along with enforcer Marty McSorley and Mike Krushelnyski, traded to the L.A. Kings for Jimmy Carson, Martin Gelinas, $15 million dollars, and three first round draft picks.

A banner to celebrate the planned 2020 birth of Connor McDavid’s first son, Daryl McDavid.

A banner to celebrate drafting Daryl McDavid in 2038.

A banner to celebrate the July 5, 2045 deal, concocted by General Manager Zach Pochiro, that sees former number 1 pick, Daryl McDavid, traded for prospects Dwight Hall and Yuri Yakupov.

The Oilers were also pleased to announce that at their next home game on February 20 against the Boston Bruins, one lucky fan would be honoured by having their own banner raised to the roof to celebrate the fan winning the contest to have their own banner raised to the roof.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...64117&page=356

[Andy6]

Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

This is true, but in the case of Seattle vs Vancouver those to cities have been rivals on many different stages other then sports. They would be so close to each other that a natural rivalry in the NHL would happen very fast. Since Vancouver's main rivals have always been Calgary and Edmonton where both of those cities fans for the most part would consider them to be #2 on their hit list , I could see a deep rivalry set up between the two neighbouruing cities.

How conscious is Seattle of Vancouver? How would the proportion of Vancouverites who visit Seattle in an average year compare to the proportion of Seattleites (?) who visit Vancouver in an average year?

[logan5]

I'm thinking far more people from Seattle come here than the other way around.

With the way the expansion draft works now, there should be a pretty good rivalry with the Seattle Metropolitans right from the get-go.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by logan5

I'm thinking far more people from Seattle come here than the other way around.

With the way the expansion draft works now, there should be a pretty good rivalry with the Seattle Metropolitans right from the get-go.

Why would you think that? Someone who goes to ferndale for gas every week, I see far more BC plates going down/coming back than WA plates. This is purely anecdotal keep in mind. I mean statistically more Canadians travel to the states than Americans travelling to Canada, why would you think it's a reverse trend for Vancouver/Seattle?

[theman23]

I don't know, maybe I haven't been here long enough but I really don't sense any "rivalry" between Vancouver or Seattle. The two cities are close to each other and people travel back and forth, but for the most part each city is content to let the other do its own thing.