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Old Posted Dec 5, 2009, 9:27 PM
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Actually I am for an urban Target! Just maybe not at South Waterfront. I am thinking on that lot between 9th and 10th/Alder and Washington.
And remove those food carts? Heathen!
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And remove those food carts? Heathen!
They could just turn OBryant Park into a food cart park.
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2009, 8:00 AM
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They could just turn OBryant Park into a food cart park.
Or the architects could get really creative and make the first floor an open air food cart market with elevators to the store at the center.
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2009, 8:57 AM
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Did anyone else experience the tar truck explosion that happened yesterday? The truck was on Bond Ave between the Ardea and the Riva and the lid (at least 2 feet in diameter) blew off and landed a block south in the parking lot. Luckily, it was after the construction guys left, so none of their cars was damaged. The whole thing was pretty scary - it sounded like a bomb went off at the Riva and it really could have caused some harm if it had happened at a different time of the day.

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Old Posted Dec 6, 2009, 7:19 PM
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^you're talking about Friday afternoon, right? If so, I definitely heard it here in the Meriwether East. I knew right away something unusual just happened.
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Old Posted Dec 7, 2009, 3:23 AM
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Am I alone in thinking that this seems like good news, if only because it seems like the last thing you want across the street from your brand new urban park is a hulking multi-story parking garage (regardless of whether or not it is a podium for a tower or two)? And especially if the cash-out results in the affordable housing on Block 49 going forward?

OHSU delays parking lot, scraps affordable housing
By Ryan Frank, The Oregonian
December 06, 2009, 5:00PM

Amid a financial crunch, Oregon Health & Science University is close to a deal with the city of Portland to again delay construction of a big parking garage in the South Waterfront District.

The agreement would also scrap a proposal for two affordable apartment towers above the garage. The apartments had been central to the city's push for lower income housing in a neighborhood dominated by expensive condos.

As part of the new deal, the city could lose one-third of the $6 million it spent on the proposal so far.

Lew Bowers, central city division manager for the city's urban renewal agency, said his goal is to quickly cash out the taxpayers' investments in the site -- known as Block 33. The money the city recovers in the deal would go toward the construction of a separate affordable apartment project down the street, Bowers said.

"It's the best deal we can get at this point in time," Bowers said.

The board of the Portland Development Commission is scheduled to approve the deal at its Wednesday meeting.

The delay is another setback for South Waterfront. The neighborhood has battled cost overruns, delays and a crippling recession since 2005.

The parking garage was a small piece of the $2 billion real estate deal that launched South Waterfront's development.

In 2003, then-Mayor Vera Katz and the Portland City Council endorsed a plan to turn a largely vacant former industrial district into a riverfront high-rise neighborhood.

City Hall pledged local, state and federal tax money to build parks, streetcar tracks and an aerial tram. In exchange, OHSU and investors led by Homer Williams agreed to build medical offices, condo towers and apartments.

OHSU was originally supposed to start building the garage at Block 33 in 2005 to serve its expansion from Marquam Hill into South Waterfront.

The city, under pressure from housing advocates, wanted to use the garage as a podium for the neighborhood's first affordable housing towers.

The 2003 agreement required OHSU to build the parking garage only if it could afford it.

But Mark Williams, who has led OHSU's South Waterfront development, said the university couldn't afford the garage in 2005 and can't afford it today. It was estimated to cost about $75 million, with 1,100 parking stalls.

OHSU also hasn't needed the garage. The university, which has battled financial setbacks, delayed its expansion into South Waterfront after its first tower, the Center for Health and Healing.


City pays toward garage

Despite the delays, the Portland Development Commission has spent $6 million to nudge the garage along. That money came from property tax revenues.

It included $3 million the commission paid OHSU in 2005 to reserve parking spaces for the future apartment renters. At the time, the League of Women Voters of Portland, a watchdog group, criticized the payment as payback to OHSU for covering most of the budget overruns on the aerial tram.

Before the commission could build apartments above the garage, it had to buy control of the air rights -- that is, the right to build into the airspace over the site -- that Williams' group, North Macadam Investors, had purchased previously. In 2006, the commission paid Williams' group $3 million for those rights.

The city made the deal despite an appraisal that valued the air rights at half that amount, $1.5 million. A more recent appraisal done for the PDC pegged the value of the rights at $1 million.


Repayment plan?

As part of the new agreement up for a vote Wednesday, OHSU would repay $3 million to the city over the next year. That refund includes no interest accrued since the city made the payment four years ago.

The city will also sell the air rights to OHSU for $1 million in credits toward future transportation system development charges.

Those two payments will provide the commission $4 million back on the $6 million it has spent.

If OHSU happens to sell Block 33 in the next five years, the city would also collect 10 percent of the profits.

Despite the delay, Bowers said, the OHSU parking garage will probably get built at Block 33.

"There will be a need for additional structured parking," he said. "The timing on that is fuzzy because of the financial markets."


-- Ryan Frank

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Old Posted Dec 7, 2009, 6:05 AM
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Unfortunately, it now seems to me that South Waterfront is nothing but a symptom of a case of Vancouver-envy. It's an attempt to be Vancouver by means of pure political will, without the economic fundamentals in place. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that Vancouver was able to build such an urban environment because of an influx of "refugees" who left Hong Kong before it was handed over to China. These people brought money and a willingness to live in a high-density environment, and consequently there's demand for these buildings. With Portland, it seems like we're kind of talking ourselves into believing that there's more demand than there really is - which was pretty easy to do during the real estate boom. But now reality has come back to bite us. Every time I drive by it I think of tworivers' comment that it would have been better to direct all that development to downtown.
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Old Posted Dec 7, 2009, 10:54 AM
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Unfortunately, it now seems to me that South Waterfront is nothing but a symptom of a case of Vancouver-envy. It's an attempt to be Vancouver by means of pure political will, without the economic fundamentals in place. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that Vancouver was able to build such an urban environment because of an influx of "refugees" who left Hong Kong before it was handed over to China. These people brought money and a willingness to live in a high-density environment, and consequently there's demand for these buildings. With Portland, it seems like we're kind of talking ourselves into believing that there's more demand than there really is - which was pretty easy to do during the real estate boom. But now reality has come back to bite us. Every time I drive by it I think of tworivers' comment that it would have been better to direct all that development to downtown.
I would say you are close with this but missing an important factor...for Vancouver, the influx came from Hong Kong...for Portland, our "refugees" were coming from California.
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Old Posted Dec 7, 2009, 6:35 PM
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Yes, I would agree that the city and developers did get a little ahead of themselves in developing South Waterfront. But you have to consider that 2005-2006 was one extreme end of the spectrum and 2008-2009 is the other extreme. Somewhere in the middle lies a sustainable medium. Things are gradually improving in the neighborhood. The John Ross just hit 75% occupancy and I see new people moving in all the time. The Meriwether's rental ratio has dropped dramatically which says to me the people who are buying the resale and foreclosures there are living there rather than using it as speculative investment property. But at the end of the day it all comes down to price. That is the one variable that is easily controlled. With the banks taking over the John Ross and Atwater Place, prices have been cut almost in half and condos are moving again. I suspect that prices will rise in the next couple of years but we may not see 2006 pricing for a number of years beyond that. Overall, the neighborhood is gaining more residents all the time, which is good. Now we just need more retailers!
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It's unlikely that any of that development could have happened downtown. Land prices in South Waterfront were dramatically reduced from the prices being offered in downtown. As Portland seeks to increase it's density, it needs to provide more housing near the core and I feel that SW is a great location for it. It may take fifteen years for the rest of the neighborhood and services to fill in around it, but eventually the neighborhood should be a success. All the bones are there, and time should bring the meat of the neighborhood. Unfortunately, I don't feel that everyone that bought down in SW understood that it could be ten years before their neighborhood is actually cool. That more than anything has to drive down enthusiasm for the neighborhood.
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▲ I couldn't agree more, mmeade. Patience...
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Old Posted Dec 8, 2009, 1:58 AM
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It's unlikely that any of that development could have happened downtown. Land prices in South Waterfront were dramatically reduced from the prices being offered in downtown.
I don't think I really agree with this part of your comment; after all, there were projects - the Allegro, Roosevelt and Manhattan, for example -- which were more or less ready to go. If the 300 units of the John Ross, for example, hadn't come online, those buyers would have gone somewhere else, and the aforementioned projects would have been more viable.
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Thanks for letting me know, ProTram. My IP address changed again.

The new address for the Mirabella Cam is:

http://98.246.157.173:8080/

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SOWA was created to be it's own community, close enough to downtown to enjoy all it has to offer, but away enough to really experience the river, trees, & a unique neighborhood feeling. Picturing these highrises right in downtown is interesting, but I'm glad the reality is---they're in SOWA.

The area has taken a lot of hits lately, no doubt. The Vestas pullout, Block 33 no-go, slow unit sales of existing buildings, the list goes on. Most of the metro area has experienced the same synerios that SOWA has. It doesn't mean that any given area with construction delays, slow sales, etc. is a failure because of a rough economy. I think most of us were suprised when someone like Mr. Moyer had to halt construction of PAW, for example.

IMO, with Mirabella's units close to being sold out, and completion in 2010, Caruthers Park, a steadily improving economy(yes, slowly), and some retail coming into the picture in the future, I see nothing but a success story here with this area. In a year or two, a lot of us will have SOWA envy.
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I don't remember, has there been another highrise in SOWA that has been cleared to start construction?
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HAHA, yea I went on there yesterday to see the progress and panicked!
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Email from SWF Community Relations:

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SOUTH WATERFRONT HOLIDAY BALL

It’s the annual South Waterfront Holiday Sidecar Ball & Auction! This year South Waterfront Community Relations, the Community Action Committee, the Art, Culture and Science Committee, Umpqua Bank, The Ardea and Heidi McBride Gallery & Art Consultancy have teamed up to bring you a holiday ball with a mission: to make merry AND benefit five local non-profit organizations while you’re at it.

Don’t forget to visit each penthouse to collect all four of your raffle tickets! These are your chances to win a fabulous prize!

WHEN:
Thursday, December 10
6:00 – 7:30 PM – Penthouse Tour
7:30 – 10:00 PM – Holiday Sidecar Ball

WHERE:
Start at The Ardea, Atwater Place, John Ross or Riva on the Park:
Tour the Penthouses, sip on some wine, bubbly or beer and meet with local non-profits.
* Big Brothers Big Sisters – John Ross 3003
* CASA – Riva on the Park 2215
* Sunshine Division – Atwater Place 2302
* DoveLewis – Ardea 3000

Ardea Sidecar (entrance on SW River Parkway):
Once you complete the penthouse tour, head down to the Ardea Sidecar for food, music and a silent auction to benefit Neighborhood House.

COST:
$15 per person (cash or check only)

Admission can be paid at the entrance of each building or the entrance to the ball. Includes entrance to the penthouse tour AND holiday ball, raffle tickets (available in the penthouses), food, entertainment and your first drink.

FEATURING:
* Penthouse tours of Atwater Place, The Ardea, John Ross and Riva on the Park

* Meet and greet with a local non-profit in each penthouse, including Big Brothers Big Sisters, CASA, Sunshine Division and DoveLewis

* Music and entertainment by DESIGNBAND

* Hors d’oeuvres and no-host bar from Bambuza (your first drink is included in your admission!)

* Silent auction and wine wall (benefiting Neighborhood House)

* Raffle prizes, dancing and interactive district art project

RESIDENTS AND THEIR GUESTS ARE WELCOME

To RSVP: [email protected] or call 503-972-3289
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Here are a few shots from tonight. There was a party going on but I was busy taking advantage of the view!







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