PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX

[Philly-Drew]

I think politics is best discussed somewhere else. If you point to the location where you are discussing it, I would probably throw my 2 cents in as well.

[summersm343]

To help tech startups grow, Keystone Innovation Zone expands to Old City

http://planphilly.com/articles/2016/03/2...tone-innovation-zone-expands-to-old-city

[summersm343]

Philadelphia jobs up 40,500 over last six years

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/business/la..._last_six_years.html#kTl0DM3eVVfzYYyt.99

[TempleGuy1000]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Philadelphia jobs up 40,500 over last six years

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/business/la..._last_six_years.html#kTl0DM3eVVfzYYyt.99

and we can do so much better *puts my tricky dick face on*

[The Best Forumer]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Philadelphia jobs up 40,500 over last six years

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/business/la..._last_six_years.html#kTl0DM3eVVfzYYyt.99

I like Phily. What's the current metro population there?

[mville1]

Someone could start a Philadelphia Metro/Pennsylvania Political thread under the Northeast section....hint hint......

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/forumdisplay.php?f=38

[Jawnadelphia]

Originally Posted by the best forumer

i like phily. What's the current metro population there?

6,051,170.

[1487]

Originally Posted by summersm343

To help tech startups grow, Keystone Innovation Zone expands to Old City

http://planphilly.com/articles/2016/03/2...tone-innovation-zone-expands-to-old-city

This sounds good.

[1487]

Originally Posted by TallCoolOne

6,051,170.

This ties into this:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20160324_Slow-growing_metro_Phila__falls_to_No__7_nationally.html

The article states much of what I have been stating (falling on deaf ears) lately. For one, the entire region is growing slowly, secondly, weather and cheaper/newer development are huge factors in which regions are growing and furthermore many people that are choosing to leave Philly aren't necessarily doing so because they want to live in the suburbs. I don't really agree with this version of the Philly area- sorry, but northern MD isn't truly tied to Philadelphia in any meaningful way. When you consider how huge the areas are it's no wonder DC metro has passed Philly.

[1487]

Originally Posted by mmikeyphilly

I miss Strawbridge's Department Store, personally. John Wanamaker too. AND
Yeah, it makes you think about "does this have anything to do with taxes?"
Not only City wage tax, but Capital Gains and Interest taxes that the City taxes an individual. It sucks. But, then again, the City always cries "broke". If the City got after people NOT paying their fair share of Real Estates taxes, and the Bureau of Water Revenue letting quite a few people getting away with YEARS of multiple THOUSANDS of dollars that is past due, maybe the City would have money enough, that they wouldn't need to depend on the State, as much as they ask anyway.
Sorry for getting off topic, but I just needed to get that off my chest.

Much has been done to collect debts and more is planned. You have to want to find the information to actually be aware of what is being done. Considerable progress has been made and Kenney Admin has committed to more tax lien sales. The FACTS are that collecting old debt (when it's actually possible) has nothing to do with recurring operating budgetary issues. Collecting overdue taxes or forcing properties into sherriff's sales is a good thing, but doing so doesn't magically solve huge financial problems. This isn't political, just reality.

[ChezCre]

View from a rooftop just off of Henry Ave. in the Roxborough section of the city. The westward expansion of the skyline is impressive but it shows how much we need some supertall construction east of city hall!

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[Outta here]

Originally Posted by 1487

This ties into this:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20160324_Slow-growing_metro_Phila__falls_to_No__7_nationally.html

The article states much of what I have been stating (falling on deaf ears) lately. For one, the entire region is growing slowly, secondly, weather and cheaper/newer development are huge factors in which regions are growing and furthermore many people that are choosing to leave Philly aren't necessarily doing so because they want to live in the suburbs. I don't really agree with this version of the Philly area- sorry, but northern MD isn't truly tied to Philadelphia in any meaningful way. When you consider how huge the areas are it's no wonder DC metro has passed Philly.

Took a quick look at some things to try and verify your statement . Lo and behold , bingo . And according to Wikipedia :

Of the current 25 largest " cities " in America , only Chicago appears to be growing at a slower rate , i.e. 0.99 percent .
Included in this group , Detroit . The only city to loose population ( at a rate of 4.7 percent ) .

At the moment , Austin Tex. is blowing every other city out of the water with a growth rate of 15.49 percent . According to the
current figures posted by Wikipedia . On that list are six cities growing more than 9 percent whereas Philly is a meager 2.25
percent .
If the current trend continues , there should be some eleven cities with populations exceeding one million by the 2020 census
With this particular scenario , Philly would come in at #7 with a head count of about 1.640 million .

But as long as they all have good paying career positions , who gives a shit about the size of the city . After all , it's not the size
of your city , but how you use it ......

[Knight Hospitaller]

^^^ I never before thought of this forum as a virtual locker room for skyscraper geeks.

[summersm343]

Slow-growing metro Philly falls to No. 7 nationally

The Philadelphia metropolitan region is lagging well behind the rest of the nation in population growth, new census numbers show.

In the last five years, Philadelphia and its neighboring counties have lost tens of thousands of residents, but birthrates and an influx of immigrants have resulted in modest population increases.

Still, the Philadelphia metro area - No. 4 a decade ago - has fallen to No. 7 in the U.S. population rankings, surpassed this year by Washington.

If current rates continue, Philadelphia is set to drop even further within the next five years, overtaken by Miami and Atlanta.

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201603...o__7_nationally.html#qdxeeFggJ80PjpqR.99

[summersm343]

Here are the numbers for each county in the MSA. Remember, these numbers will likely be revised (upwards) as they tend to be every year.

Bucks County

2010 Census: 625,249
2014 preliminary: 626,685
2014 revised: 626,608
2015 preliminary: 627,367


Burlington County (NJ)

2010 Census: 448,734
2014 preliminary: 449,722
2014 revised: 450,677
2015 preliminary: 450,226


Camden County (NJ)

2010 Census: 513,657
2014 preliminary: 511,038
2014 revised: 510,967
2015 preliminary: 510,923


Cecil County (MD)

2010 Census: 101,108
2014 preliminary: 102,383
2014 revised: 102,135
2015 preliminary: 102,382


Chester County

2010 Census: 498,886
2014 preliminary: 512,784
2014 revised: 513,291
2015 preliminary: 515,939


Delaware County

2010 Census: 558,979
2014 preliminary: 562,960
2014 revised: 562,957
2015 preliminary: 563,894


Gloucester County (NJ)

2010 Census: 288,288
2014 preliminary: 290,951
2014 revised: 290,898
2015 preliminary: 291,479


Montgomery County

2010 Census: 799,874
2014 preliminary: 816,857
2014 revised: 816,608
2015 preliminary: 819,264


New Castle County (DE)

2010 Census: 538,479
2014 preliminary: 552,778
2014 revised: 553,347
2015 preliminary: 556,779


Philadelphia County

2010 Census: 1,526,006
2014 preliminary: 1,560,297
2014 revised: 1,561,562
2015 preliminary: 1,567,442


Salem County (NJ)

2010 Census: 66,083
2014 preliminary: 64,715
2014 revised: 64,670
2015 preliminary: 64,180


Philadelphia MSA

2010 Census: 5,965,343
2014 preliminary: 6,051,170
2014 revised: 6,053,720
2015 preliminary: 6,069,875

[summersm343]

Here are the CSA Counties:

Berks County

2010: 411,572
2014: 413,691
2015: 415,271

Kent County

2010: 162,349
2014: 171,987
2015: 173,533

Atlantic County

2010: 274,549
2014: 275,209
2015: 274,219

Cape May County

2010: 97,265
2014: 95,344
2015: 94,727

Cumberland County

2010: 156,898
2014: 157,389
2015: 155,854

[jjv007]

And still no Mercer County. FIFTEEN minutes outside the freaking city and still no Mercer County. Damn, that's retarded. No wonder Philly's slipping. The border designations are laughable.

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by jjv007

And still no Mercer County. FIFTEEN minutes outside the freaking city and still no Mercer County. Damn, that's retarded. No wonder Philly's slipping. The border designations are laughable.

Yep, Mercer and the Lehigh Valley laughably go to NYC instead of Philly MSA/CSA.

Doesn't make sense. Houston, Atlanta, Dallas MSA square mileage is twice the size of Philadelphia.

Houston MSA: 10,062 square miles
Dallas MSA: 9,286 square miles
Atlanta MSA: 8,376 square miles
Miami MSA: 6,137 square miles
Washington DC MSA: 5,564 square miles
Philadelphia MSA: 5,118 square miles

[summersm343]

At least the Philadelphia MSA is still growing. Poor Pittsburgh on the other side of the state is showing population declines. Taxes are definitely holding back the region and state as a whole.

[hammersklavier]

Slow growth is not a bad thing. Philly is a mature city with a mature trade area and so is unlikely to experience explosive growth until the next industrial revolution (by which I mean: until the next sweeping round of economic innovations that fuels explosive growth in every city, like the Industrial Revolution did).

We can seek to keep our growth rates about the same as our peer cities, though. Those would be Chicago and Boston more than any other.

BTW did you know the DC CSA stretches out to include Hagerstown? And -- more insultingly still -- Chambersburg?? What a load of crock! I've always wondered what the numbers would look like if Philly's CSA were actually the size of our city region, like New York's, Boston's, and DC's all seem to be ...

Here's my estimate of the Philly CSA's true size. This is still a conservative estimate that doesn't even go the mountains; I don't think we can dispute the internal trade and commuting links among any of them:

Current CSA -- 6 million
Lancaster County -- 0.5 million
Harrisburg CSA -- 1.2 million
Franklin County -- 0.15 million
Lehigh Valley MSA -- 0.82 million
Mercer County -- 0.37 million

That yields a corrected Philadelphia CSA of 9.04 million, revealing that we're undercounted by a third.