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Old Posted Jan 13, 2007, 6:31 PM
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this is talking about a little bit of the broad street project.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2007, 6:15 AM
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I like the project. Anyone who thinks that narrowing Broad Street will hurt businesses there is living in a fantasy world. It has got to be one of the worst thoroufares for retail out there. The only people that shop in any of the dumps along Broad can likley not afford to go anywhere. It will have to be narrowed to come back in a big way.
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God forbid it hurt save-a-lot grocery store. I agree with pkp. they aren't going to narrow the intersection at government st.
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Anybody have any recent photos of Downtown Mobile to share?
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Anybody have any recent photos of Downtown Mobile to share?
If you mean an updated RSA pic, I'm sure it's still the same with all the scaffolding still on it. I'll go tomorrow and get an updated one.
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If you mean an updated RSA pic, I'm sure it's still the same with all the scaffolding still on it. I'll go tomorrow and get an updated one.
I've seen enough of the tower to last awhile, just wanted some overall shots, thanks in advance.
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I've seen enough of the tower to last awhile, just wanted some overall shots, thanks in advance.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2007, 10:38 PM
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Bring Back Broad info from the Lagniappe...
The Real Deal
By Sharman Egan
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Back in the day, Broad Street was a thriving corridor lined with elegant homes and small businesses serving residents of the surrounding neighborhoods. In the late 1950s, the northeast corner of Broad and Government held an A&P Supermarket (not much larger than a typical convenience store today), the Albright and Woods Drug Store, a hardware store, meat market, fruit stand and the Electrik Maid Bakeshop. Across the street to the south was the Middleton estate where the Save-a-Lot sits today.

That was before new development and the exodus to West Mobile cut a swath through downtown and midtown Mobile in the 1970s. Back then it was all about urban renewal. The goal of well-meaning bureaucrats was to clear sub-standard housing and replace it with decent housing for the poor. The result was a five-lane mini-freeway along Broad and Canal Streets, without a whole lot of cars to fill those lanes.

Nowadays the buzz in urban development is about new urbanism, pedestrian-friendly streets and traffic calming. Cities are spending mega-millions to undo what they spent a few million dollars to do 30 or 40 years ago. Pretty ironic, huh?

Mobile’s Bring Back Broad Initiative is a prime example of this change. The city has been working on Bring Back Broad for several years. The project, proposed for the stretch of Broad Street between Baltimore Street just north of I-10 to Water Street just south of I-165, aims to recapture the character of that once-thriving corridor.

"We want to bring back the livability of Broad Street," said Barbara Drummond, executive director of Mobile’s Administrative Services Department. "We want to make the street more pedestrian-friendly, more walkable. And the project is not just about Broad Street. It will impact the entire area."

"The objective is to connect the neighborhoods on either side of Broad Street and to stimulate the development of businesses to serve those neighborhoods," said John Crawford, director of the city’s Architectural Engineering Department.

After several years of planning and lobbying for funds, Bring Back Broad is finally becoming a reality. The Federal Highway Administration and the Small Business Administration have each committed $1 million. That won’t even begin to cover the cost of the entire project – it’s expected to cost at least $20 million. But the city believes it’s enough to do the section from Canal Street to Texas Street and possibly as far south as Virginia Street. Construction is expected to begin in the fall and take about six months to complete.

So what changes can we expect to see along Broad Street?

Last week the city held a widely publicized and well-attended Public Involvement Meeting to unveil the plans and gather public input. About 100 people showed up to vet the city’s plans.

Those plans are still at the conceptual stage, and they could change based on public input or budgetary constraints. There’s no telling exactly how much of the plan $2 million will buy until the project is put out to bid.

Based on the current plans, the most dramatic change will be the removal of traffic lanes. Although the width of Broad Street won’t change, the traffic lanes will be reduced from five (two lanes in each direction plus a turn lane) to just two lanes. A 12-foot landscaped median will be added, along with 6-foot bicycle lanes on each side. The sidewalks will remain as they are (with some repairs), and new streetlights will be added. Street crossings will be enhanced with stamped concrete or pavers, as funding allows.

The result of all these changes: a streetscape that is not only more attractive but also more neighborhood-friendly. Pedestrians will be able to cross the street more easily and safely, and bicyclists will find the area more attractive for biking.

Update on Broad Street Brouhaha

Speaking of Broad Street, back in November I reported on an uproar in Oakleigh about a proposed commercial development at South Broad and Elmira Streets. The project, which would include a Texaco service station and convenience store with a small strip center, had neighbors up in arms.

According to Justin Smith, an agent with Saad & Vallas Realty Group, developer Marvin Hewitt Enterprises of Lawrenceville, Ga. has decided to put the project on hold after a meeting with William Carroll, the city council representative for the area. The developer is planning to meet with representatives of the surrounding neighborhoods before making a final decision on the project. Carroll is working on organizing that meeting.

The company is planning several other similar projects in Mobile, including one on Spring Hill Avenue at Catherine Street in the Old Dauphin Way Historic District. That project has been approved by the Mobile Planning Commission. It still needs approval from the city’s Architectural Review Board and the Mobile City Council.

Want to weigh on these projects? Here’s how:

Bring Back Broad: E-mail comments to [email protected] or fax to 251-208-5871. Comments must be submitted by 1/21/07.

The proposed commercial developments in the Oakleigh and Old Dauphin Way historic districts: Contact William Carroll at 251-404-4107 or e-mail [email protected].


Sharman Egan is Lagniappe lagniappe columnist. Contact her at [email protected].
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Bring Back Broad info from the Lagniappe...
The Real Deal
By Sharman Egan
Lagniappe columnist

Back in the day, Broad Street was a thriving corridor lined with elegant homes and small businesses serving residents of the surrounding neighborhoods. In the late 1950s, the northeast corner of Broad and Government held an A&P Supermarket (not much larger than a typical convenience store today), the Albright and Woods Drug Store, a hardware store, meat market, fruit stand and the Electrik Maid Bakeshop. Across the street to the south was the Middleton estate where the Save-a-Lot sits today.

That was before new development and the exodus to West Mobile cut a swath through downtown and midtown Mobile in the 1970s. Back then it was all about urban renewal. The goal of well-meaning bureaucrats was to clear sub-standard housing and replace it with decent housing for the poor. The result was a five-lane mini-freeway along Broad and Canal Streets, without a whole lot of cars to fill those lanes.

Nowadays the buzz in urban development is about new urbanism, pedestrian-friendly streets and traffic calming. Cities are spending mega-millions to undo what they spent a few million dollars to do 30 or 40 years ago. Pretty ironic, huh?

Mobile’s Bring Back Broad Initiative is a prime example of this change. The city has been working on Bring Back Broad for several years. The project, proposed for the stretch of Broad Street between Baltimore Street just north of I-10 to Water Street just south of I-165, aims to recapture the character of that once-thriving corridor.

"We want to bring back the livability of Broad Street," said Barbara Drummond, executive director of Mobile’s Administrative Services Department. "We want to make the street more pedestrian-friendly, more walkable. And the project is not just about Broad Street. It will impact the entire area."

"The objective is to connect the neighborhoods on either side of Broad Street and to stimulate the development of businesses to serve those neighborhoods," said John Crawford, director of the city’s Architectural Engineering Department.

After several years of planning and lobbying for funds, Bring Back Broad is finally becoming a reality. The Federal Highway Administration and the Small Business Administration have each committed $1 million. That won’t even begin to cover the cost of the entire project – it’s expected to cost at least $20 million. But the city believes it’s enough to do the section from Canal Street to Texas Street and possibly as far south as Virginia Street. Construction is expected to begin in the fall and take about six months to complete.

So what changes can we expect to see along Broad Street?

Last week the city held a widely publicized and well-attended Public Involvement Meeting to unveil the plans and gather public input. About 100 people showed up to vet the city’s plans.

Those plans are still at the conceptual stage, and they could change based on public input or budgetary constraints. There’s no telling exactly how much of the plan $2 million will buy until the project is put out to bid.

Based on the current plans, the most dramatic change will be the removal of traffic lanes. Although the width of Broad Street won’t change, the traffic lanes will be reduced from five (two lanes in each direction plus a turn lane) to just two lanes. A 12-foot landscaped median will be added, along with 6-foot bicycle lanes on each side. The sidewalks will remain as they are (with some repairs), and new streetlights will be added. Street crossings will be enhanced with stamped concrete or pavers, as funding allows.

The result of all these changes: a streetscape that is not only more attractive but also more neighborhood-friendly. Pedestrians will be able to cross the street more easily and safely, and bicyclists will find the area more attractive for biking.

Update on Broad Street Brouhaha

Speaking of Broad Street, back in November I reported on an uproar in Oakleigh about a proposed commercial development at South Broad and Elmira Streets. The project, which would include a Texaco service station and convenience store with a small strip center, had neighbors up in arms.

According to Justin Smith, an agent with Saad & Vallas Realty Group, developer Marvin Hewitt Enterprises of Lawrenceville, Ga. has decided to put the project on hold after a meeting with William Carroll, the city council representative for the area. The developer is planning to meet with representatives of the surrounding neighborhoods before making a final decision on the project. Carroll is working on organizing that meeting.

The company is planning several other similar projects in Mobile, including one on Spring Hill Avenue at Catherine Street in the Old Dauphin Way Historic District. That project has been approved by the Mobile Planning Commission. It still needs approval from the city’s Architectural Review Board and the Mobile City Council.

Want to weigh on these projects? Here’s how:

Bring Back Broad: E-mail comments to [email protected] or fax to 251-208-5871. Comments must be submitted by 1/21/07.

The proposed commercial developments in the Oakleigh and Old Dauphin Way historic districts: Contact William Carroll at 251-404-4107 or e-mail [email protected].


Sharman Egan is Lagniappe lagniappe columnist. Contact her at [email protected].
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2007, 11:24 PM
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Wow what a gorgeous building...I'm jealous!
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Old Posted Jan 22, 2007, 5:34 AM
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Have anyone took pics of the downtown if so please post,I will be coming home 2 visit next month for the last weekend of mardi gras,i will have to drive around town and downtown to see what's been done.What's up with ''Waterstreetlanding'' I heard that the project is still on but there hasn't been no word as of what april of 06? Has the scafflin come off of the rsa tower yet?
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Old Posted Jan 22, 2007, 9:49 PM
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God forbid it hurt save-a-lot grocery store. I agree with pkp. they aren't going to narrow the intersection at government st.

They need to do something to it. I damn near get killed trying to cross on foot or on a bike. Still, I can now ride my bike to work faster than I can drive. And walking only takes about 25 mintues max.

The traffic on Government needs to be slowed down all together. All those "5" plates coming out of the tunnel are doing 80. A median in the middle with open spaces at cross streets would slow it down considerably and allow pedestrians a safe place to stop half way across. That would be nice all the way to the Loop for that matter - that is if street cars are out of the question.
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Civic design expert measures downtown's walkability'
Civic design expert measure's Mobile's walkability'
Sunday, January 21, 2007
By KAIJA WILKINSON
Business Reporter
National civic design expert Dan Burden's walking audit of downtown Mobile on Friday morning revealed that the city center has "great bones" in terms of historic buildings and trees, but also some problem areas that must be addressed in order to nurture the city's economic growth.
The tour, which drew more than three dozen participants on a damp, chilly morning, started at the Downtown Mobile Alliance office on Dauphin Street and meandered through Bienville Square, across Water Street and back down Government, then up Conception and through Cathedral Square back to Dauphin.
The tour was sponsored by the alliance, Envision Coastal Alabama and the City of Mobile.
Burden, who led similar audits last week in Baldwin County, has conducted more than 2,000 such tours in cities throughout the U.S.
He said he always looks for five features -- security, or a sense of being watched over by both buildings and people; convenience, such as having a grocery store nearby; efficiency, or how easy it is to cross the street or find a parking spot; comfort; and sense of welcome.
"Once you get all five of those together, then everything starts to take off like a rocket," Burden told the group.
At the corner of Dauphin and Joachim streets, Burden agreed with tour group members that the restored historic buildings, each one unique and many with balconies, are what make the streetscape appealing.
He did point out, however, that a pedestrian walk signal -- on a pole that apparently had been hit by a car -- no longer worked. This sends a subliminal message to pedestrians that they are not appreciated, he said.
Despite some complaints from tour members that Bienville Square can be "dark and creepy" and populated with homeless people, Burden was impressed by the green space. However, the buildings surrounding the square do not necessarily create that secure "watched over" atmosphere.
He pointed to a parking lot on the northern edge of the square.
"That gap is like the missing tooth," he said. "The great professional model without that tooth doesn't pull in any income, and that's important. But you've got the bones. Downtown has fantastic bones."
Bienville Square could also be enhanced by adding features for children, getting rid of unsightly recycling baskets and upgrading its guard shack, he said.
Devereaux Bemis, executive director of the Mobile Historic Development Commission, said a great design for a new guard station already exists, but added that it's too costly to build right now.
Burden gave his most negative assessment to Water Street, which a recent Mobile Bay Convention & Visitors Bureau audit had already pegged as a pedestrian-hostile environment and one of the main impediments to selling Mobile as a convention destination.
When Burden asked tour participants how they felt on Water Street, the response was unanimous: "abandoned and exposed."
While heading west along Government Street, Burden said he liked the idea of a mixed-use development on the site of the old county courthouse. And he praised the redevelopment happening on nearby Conception Street.
There, Tim Burt, owner of Parkside Home & Garden Shop in Birmingham, is converting an early 1800s building into a retail shop with living space on top.
On Friday, an ugly blond brick facade was being stripped away to reveal fluted, cast-iron columns that had been hidden for years.
"It was one of the ugliest buildings downtown and it's going to be one of the most beautiful," Burt promised the walking tour group.
More investors -- perhaps even a grocery store developer -- will flock to downtown Mobile once it tweaks problem areas like Water Street, Burden said. By "biting the bullet" and paying for needed improvements, the city can get to a point where it will be sought by developers.
Several people on the tour pointed out that Mobile has no master plan, either for the city center or the metro area.
Burden said having one is vital to the economy. "The more money you invest in the master plan, the more credibility you have. Planners and architects have to be involved, and it also must be strong on public process."
Mayor Sam Jones, who welcomed people to the tour, said he understands the importance of a pedestrian-friendly downtown. "I think this could be the catalyst for development throughout the city, but we have to first start here," he said.

Interesting to see others takes on downtown. The conversion on Conception street sounds interesting.
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Civic design expert measures downtown's walkability'
Civic design expert measure's Mobile's walkability'
Sunday, January 21, 2007
By KAIJA WILKINSON
Business Reporter
National civic design expert Dan Burden's walking audit of downtown Mobile on Friday morning revealed that the city center has "great bones" in terms of historic buildings and trees, but also some problem areas that must be addressed in order to nurture the city's economic growth.
The tour, which drew more than three dozen participants on a damp, chilly morning, started at the Downtown Mobile Alliance office on Dauphin Street and meandered through Bienville Square, across Water Street and back down Government, then up Conception and through Cathedral Square back to Dauphin.
The tour was sponsored by the alliance, Envision Coastal Alabama and the City of Mobile.
Burden, who led similar audits last week in Baldwin County, has conducted more than 2,000 such tours in cities throughout the U.S.
He said he always looks for five features -- security, or a sense of being watched over by both buildings and people; convenience, such as having a grocery store nearby; efficiency, or how easy it is to cross the street or find a parking spot; comfort; and sense of welcome.
"Once you get all five of those together, then everything starts to take off like a rocket," Burden told the group.
At the corner of Dauphin and Joachim streets, Burden agreed with tour group members that the restored historic buildings, each one unique and many with balconies, are what make the streetscape appealing.
He did point out, however, that a pedestrian walk signal -- on a pole that apparently had been hit by a car -- no longer worked. This sends a subliminal message to pedestrians that they are not appreciated, he said.
Despite some complaints from tour members that Bienville Square can be "dark and creepy" and populated with homeless people, Burden was impressed by the green space. However, the buildings surrounding the square do not necessarily create that secure "watched over" atmosphere.
He pointed to a parking lot on the northern edge of the square.
"That gap is like the missing tooth," he said. "The great professional model without that tooth doesn't pull in any income, and that's important. But you've got the bones. Downtown has fantastic bones."
Bienville Square could also be enhanced by adding features for children, getting rid of unsightly recycling baskets and upgrading its guard shack, he said.
Devereaux Bemis, executive director of the Mobile Historic Development Commission, said a great design for a new guard station already exists, but added that it's too costly to build right now.
Burden gave his most negative assessment to Water Street, which a recent Mobile Bay Convention & Visitors Bureau audit had already pegged as a pedestrian-hostile environment and one of the main impediments to selling Mobile as a convention destination.
When Burden asked tour participants how they felt on Water Street, the response was unanimous: "abandoned and exposed."
While heading west along Government Street, Burden said he liked the idea of a mixed-use development on the site of the old county courthouse. And he praised the redevelopment happening on nearby Conception Street.
There, Tim Burt, owner of Parkside Home & Garden Shop in Birmingham, is converting an early 1800s building into a retail shop with living space on top.
On Friday, an ugly blond brick facade was being stripped away to reveal fluted, cast-iron columns that had been hidden for years.
"It was one of the ugliest buildings downtown and it's going to be one of the most beautiful," Burt promised the walking tour group.
More investors -- perhaps even a grocery store developer -- will flock to downtown Mobile once it tweaks problem areas like Water Street, Burden said. By "biting the bullet" and paying for needed improvements, the city can get to a point where it will be sought by developers.
Several people on the tour pointed out that Mobile has no master plan, either for the city center or the metro area.
Burden said having one is vital to the economy. "The more money you invest in the master plan, the more credibility you have. Planners and architects have to be involved, and it also must be strong on public process."
Mayor Sam Jones, who welcomed people to the tour, said he understands the importance of a pedestrian-friendly downtown. "I think this could be the catalyst for development throughout the city, but we have to first start here," he said.

Interesting to see others takes on downtown. The conversion on Conception street sounds interesting.
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Old Posted Jan 24, 2007, 6:53 AM
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^ Yeah, Mobile has the potential to be even better than it is already. That's one reason I'm going to be calling it home in the next few months.
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yeah i would love to see the streetcars on government too pkp. That would be really nice.
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I took these in Marcy, but the builging is still the same The lights give it so much more chracter.
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2007, 9:33 PM
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Have they taken down the scaffolding on the spire yet?
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Have they taken down the scaffolding on the spire yet?
Nope, not yet. It's all still up there.
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2007, 11:35 PM
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Saw some great shots of RSA during the Senior Bowl on the NFL Network, even though it was a dreary, rainy day.
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