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Old Posted May 31, 2011, 5:00 AM
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Well, after one day of driving around on freeways and shopping at nondescript malls, I'd say Phoenix is pretty much how I expected it. Admittedly, I haven't seen much yet - some touristy stuff in Scottsdale, a mall that I think was in Glendale, and a bunch of under construction suburbs around Litchfield Park.

But damn, people say Calgary is suburban. On the way home, we drove pretty much through the centre of Phoenix, and if I didn't see the towers along that one corridor, I wouldn't even know I was anywhere near downtown. I never saw anything denser, just older.

The far out suburbs are pretty bizarre here too (thinking Litchfield Park). I mean, I know suburbs are supposed to be quiet and lifeless, but this is like some post-apocalyptic zombie flick. I'm used to not seeing people walking, but we walked to a restaurant for supper last night (about a 15 minute stroll), and I saw 4 or 5 cars and one person playing basketball.

Anyway, tomorrow my mom's meeting with some people from 8-4, and I was planning on walking from there (somewhere in Scottsdale) to downtown. However, it turns out that this "somewhere in Scottsdale" is at the very NE corner of 101, so that won't be happening.

So I've got some questions for anyone that knows the city - what the fuck should I do for 8 hours (tomorrow and the next day)? At some point I'll find a bus and go somewhere, but have no idea where/what to check out. Any suggestions?

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Now on to the fun stuff: how awful it can be to travel with my mom and grandma. I came to Phoenix without sunglasses, so we went to a mall to get that one thing. As we walk in, both of them say "I'm not here to shop", yet, after I buy some shades (about 20 minutes) we walk back through some department store towards the car. They got distracted and looked through clothes for 2 hours, trying on pretty much everything in the store.

Later we found out that Grandma apparently can't tell the difference between a hispanic and black people, because we went to a Walgreens (again, only for one item, so why the hell do they need a fucking cart???), and there were several hispanic people inside. Grandma later said "we must be in a black part of town". She's a little (unknowingly, most of the time) racist, you know, like most old white people.

But my god, the worst part, by far, was driving around with them. My mom drove, and Grandma gave directions. I consider myself an expert navigator, but since I'm the only one who's never been here before, my opinion is worthless (even though I have a map in my hand). One more minute in that car with them bickering and I swear I was going to lose it.

Oh yeah, everything is cheap as hell down here. Fast food, gas, golf balls, houses, and pretty much everything else I saw was so much cheaper than in Calgary.

So, in case you (Buckeye, or whoever else knows Phoenix) got bored of my post and missed it, what should I see, where should I go for the next couple days?
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Old Posted May 31, 2011, 8:41 AM
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Now on to the fun stuff: how awful it can be to travel with my mom and grandma. I came to Phoenix without sunglasses, so we went to a mall to get that one thing. As we walk in, both of them say "I'm not here to shop", yet, after I buy some shades (about 20 minutes) we walk back through some department store towards the car. They got distracted and looked through clothes for 2 hours, trying on pretty much everything in the store.

Later we found out that Grandma apparently can't tell the difference between a hispanic and black people, because we went to a Walgreens (again, only for one item, so why the hell do they need a fucking cart???), and there were several hispanic people inside. Grandma later said "we must be in a black part of town". She's a little (unknowingly, most of the time) racist, you know, like most old white people.

But my god, the worst part, by far, was driving around with them. My mom drove, and Grandma gave directions. I consider myself an expert navigator, but since I'm the only one who's never been here before, my opinion is worthless (even though I have a map in my hand). One more minute in that car with them bickering and I swear I was going to lose it.

Whoa dude!.. You're stumbling onto vid's turf with that storytelling there!
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Old Posted May 31, 2011, 5:18 AM
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Try Mill Street in Tempe. That's about all I know; Buckeye'll be able to help you.
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Old Posted May 31, 2011, 5:50 AM
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Try to start at Mill Avenue in Tempe, then take the light rail to Downtown Phoenix and check out Cityscape.

If you can figure out a way to get to Papago Park, Phoenix Mountain Preserve and South Mountain, those are three points of interest definitely worth your time if you can swing it. The light rail runs up Central to the Art Museum and the Heard Museum (Art Museum's off Central and McDowell, the Heard Museum's just a couple blocks up the street). They're not much, but the Heard Museum has a decent collection of southwestern artifacts.

There's also the Southwest Coffee Talk in the Southwest subforum, those guys there will be able to help you out with logistics far more than I'm able to.
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Old Posted May 31, 2011, 3:54 PM
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For the record, there is no "black" part of the Valley. The closest we have to a "Little Mexico" is Guadalupe, and possibly sections of South Phoenix, but unless you have a death wish, I wouldn't suggest making any trips to South Phoenix.
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Yeah, it's so hardcore! They have weeds in their yards and mailboxes that don't adhere to association guidelines!
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Old Posted May 31, 2011, 4:03 PM
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Or, you know, have the same problems with drugs and gangs as every other big city in this country?
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Old Posted May 31, 2011, 6:14 PM
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That story about being in Phoenix makes me glad to be in Thunder Bay.
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Old Posted May 31, 2011, 10:05 PM
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The last time I was in Phoenix (not counting the airport) was in 1978. It was sprawly as hell then. I also noticed that people drove very slow down there.....slow meaning exactly what the speed limit said. Not sure if that's how it still is.
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Old Posted May 31, 2011, 10:33 PM
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We've had a steady influx of Californians. Phoenix freeways are all kinds of fucked up: As in, you'll have some jackass doing 80+ in a 65 in the right lanes and someone in a Lincoln TownCar doing 55 in a 65 in the far left lanes.

Californians get a bad rap: At least they know how to drive consistently. If you're not doing at least 75 in all lanes on most of the freeways, you'll get run off the road.
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Old Posted May 31, 2011, 11:10 PM
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Also Kyle, the guys on the Southwest subforum know you're in town and looking for stuff to do. Here's the link to the Southwest Coffee Talk http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...173766&page=47
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We've had a steady influx of Californians. Phoenix freeways are all kinds of fucked up: As in, you'll have some jackass doing 80+ in a 65 in the right lanes and someone in a Lincoln TownCar doing 55 in a 65 in the far left lanes.

Californians get a bad rap: At least they know how to drive consistently. If you're not doing at least 75 in all lanes on most of the freeways, you'll get run off the road.
I remember driving during 01-02 (my then gf now ex wife lived in Mesa and I was hauling ass down the 60 on a regular basis... that's the spot, actually, where my in-car thermometer read 134F) and the freeways being VERY fast. very. freaking. fast.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2011, 4:42 AM
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Keep track of how many Arizonans get out of your way.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2011, 6:03 AM
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Boy, the Michigan sports press is having a field day with Jim Tressel's resignation...as well they should, though. Talk about hubris.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2011, 6:19 AM
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The Canadian sports press is having a field day with Winnipeg getting an NHL team and probably doesn't care about who or what a Jim Tressel is.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2011, 6:55 AM
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That's pefectly okay, because Americans don't have any idea who or what a "Winnipeg" is. They probably think it's some lewd act that gets performed on you in a back-alley.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2011, 7:20 PM
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That's pefectly okay, because Americans don't have any idea who or what a "Winnipeg" is. They probably think it's some lewd act that gets performed on you in a back-alley.
I was Winnipegged last night... not as bad as you'd think.

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As someone tired of wimpy-ass Tresselball, I say good riddance. However, Ohio State will only wish they had the punishment USC had when the NCAA hammer comes down in August.
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I got Winnipegged once (in the Navy), and had to get shots for it.
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